1 00:00:06,700 --> 00:00:14,759 [Music] 2 00:00:09,919 --> 00:00:17,129 thinking aloud conversations on the 3 00:00:14,759 --> 00:00:22,009 leading edge of knowledge and discovery 4 00:00:17,129 --> 00:00:22,009 with psychologist Jeffrey Mishlove 5 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,239 [Music] 6 00:00:34,380 --> 00:00:41,219 let me ask you this question as 7 00:00:38,009 --> 00:00:43,439 just I have sort of a leaning toward the 8 00:00:41,219 --> 00:00:45,960 work of Carl Jung and I'm pretty sure 9 00:00:43,439 --> 00:00:48,329 Jung would say looking back at the 10 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,789 polytheistic religions that these are 11 00:00:48,329 --> 00:00:54,628 all projections from the human psyche 12 00:00:50,789 --> 00:00:57,859 they are archetypal energies we're not 13 00:00:54,628 --> 00:01:00,268 really talking about autonomous entities 14 00:00:57,859 --> 00:01:03,149 except to the extent that archetypes 15 00:01:00,268 --> 00:01:05,789 themselves function autonomously within 16 00:01:03,149 --> 00:01:09,349 the collective unconscious right well 17 00:01:05,789 --> 00:01:14,490 from the modern polytheist review points 18 00:01:09,349 --> 00:01:17,478 we understand deities spirits heroes etc 19 00:01:14,489 --> 00:01:20,568 whatever their classification is to be 20 00:01:17,478 --> 00:01:23,959 independent individual volitional 21 00:01:20,569 --> 00:01:27,090 noncorporeal beings 22 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:31,228 archetypes are something that come into 23 00:01:27,090 --> 00:01:35,689 the picture but oftentimes think of it 24 00:01:31,228 --> 00:01:38,158 this way if you are dealing with Zeus 25 00:01:35,689 --> 00:01:40,379 and you say oh well there's a thunder 26 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:44,340 God in another culture in his name is 27 00:01:40,379 --> 00:01:47,420 Thor or there's a head of pantheon deity 28 00:01:44,340 --> 00:01:49,859 in another culture and his name is ball 29 00:01:47,420 --> 00:01:53,609 you can you can kind of look at those 30 00:01:49,859 --> 00:01:55,679 archetypal jobs but that doesn't 31 00:01:53,609 --> 00:01:58,019 actually get you into relationship with 32 00:01:55,679 --> 00:01:59,879 the deity that's what modern polytheists 33 00:01:58,019 --> 00:02:02,099 are interested in is developing 34 00:01:59,879 --> 00:02:04,590 relationship erson all relationship 35 00:02:02,099 --> 00:02:06,359 right much the way a Christian might 36 00:02:04,590 --> 00:02:10,500 want to have a personal relationship 37 00:02:06,359 --> 00:02:13,110 with Christ right or to put it in kind 38 00:02:10,500 --> 00:02:16,348 of entirely human terms that everyone 39 00:02:13,110 --> 00:02:18,569 can probably understand you could go to 40 00:02:16,348 --> 00:02:21,839 your corner drugstore and deal with 41 00:02:18,568 --> 00:02:25,530 pharmacists but it's much nicer to deal 42 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:28,530 with you know George Jones who has three 43 00:02:25,530 --> 00:02:31,378 children and enjoys cricket games and 44 00:02:28,530 --> 00:02:35,280 that kind of a thing on that that's 45 00:02:31,378 --> 00:02:37,889 where the real connections come in it's 46 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:41,489 it's some people in modern polytheism 47 00:02:37,889 --> 00:02:44,068 and in modern paganism and so forth do 48 00:02:41,489 --> 00:02:49,019 deal with deities on a strictly 49 00:02:44,068 --> 00:02:50,979 archetypal level I would consider myself 50 00:02:49,019 --> 00:02:54,310 being kind of a a mega 51 00:02:50,979 --> 00:02:57,068 all we feast the more Polly the better 52 00:02:54,310 --> 00:03:00,759 I consider archetypes to be a whole 53 00:02:57,068 --> 00:03:05,859 other class of divine beings okay on so 54 00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:09,729 they they just the the feature of them 55 00:03:05,860 --> 00:03:12,340 is that they are a role rather than an 56 00:03:09,729 --> 00:03:14,199 individual personality you can relate to 57 00:03:12,340 --> 00:03:17,348 the role you can get a lot out of 58 00:03:14,199 --> 00:03:20,048 relating to the role and the role can 59 00:03:17,348 --> 00:03:23,229 synchronize with other types of deities 60 00:03:20,049 --> 00:03:25,870 so father God could be Zeus Thunder God 61 00:03:23,229 --> 00:03:28,619 could also be Zeus mother goddess could 62 00:03:25,870 --> 00:03:33,159 be any number of things many number of 63 00:03:28,620 --> 00:03:35,409 goddesses from a number of cultures what 64 00:03:33,159 --> 00:03:38,859 what those do this is this is I think 65 00:03:35,409 --> 00:03:40,568 one of the major disagreements that that 66 00:03:38,860 --> 00:03:45,190 a lot of modern polytheists would have 67 00:03:40,568 --> 00:03:46,929 with unions and Joseph Campbell and and 68 00:03:45,189 --> 00:03:49,419 and various others is that it's the 69 00:03:46,930 --> 00:03:51,909 particularity if the individual 70 00:03:49,419 --> 00:03:54,848 characteristics that really are what you 71 00:03:51,909 --> 00:03:58,079 build a relationship on just as with any 72 00:03:54,848 --> 00:03:58,078 human relationship