On 21 Aug 2005 18:42:52 -0700, miso@sushi.com wrote:

I made my pilgramage (sp) to QMR. While the site is gated off, Country
Canyon Rd.  borders the facility and also rises above QMR so you can
look down into it. Keep on moving folks, nothing to see here. There is
a large storage shed on the property, but that is about it. The rest
looks quite residential. All that was missing was Opie and Aunt B.

it wasn't anything to do with QMR dude , QMR is  like
Rachel .... it what lies beyond  , behind it , that is the area of
interest.  it's those 120 sq miles of roads , buildings and structures
that QMR stops people  ( like at Rachel )  from getting to.  
back there is where the  areas that  make a difference lie. 
if you can get to an overlook of the valley behind the hill 
back of QMR ... then  that " might " make some difference. 
even then, if those base site photos are correct , many plants 
and trees and foliage walls hide  most stuff from  casual view.
  I'm  working on a friend that has a small airplane.  I'm trying to
talk  him into  buzzing the area for some areal photos of the
valley behind QMR.  so far he is afraid ( don't know why  ah ahah  )
but he hasn't actually said " NO " yet either.  

a " good " area to get a look at is approximately  6 miles behind
the rear of the property of QMR , about 7 miles up sand hill road from
the QMR gate.  " there " is where the  " so called "  roll out field
and it's  large underground entrance doors are supposed to
exist. on " all "  of the satellite maps there is something there  .
a quick personal  look at  " that  "  place  would tell lots.  

it's this place ........

http://mapper.acme.com/?lat=35.168108&long=-118.33408&scale=10&theme=Image&width=3&height=2&dot=Yes

clicking the ( s )  and ( se ) buttons will lead you back down this
road ( sand hill road ) to where the QMR site presently exists.
tho this satellite map isn't all that old, QMR is nowhere to be found
on it . that might throw you off a little. 

notice that  ( in the sat picture ) the road is paved, has a line
painted on it and has telephone poles along it that come
from deeper inside the  inaccessible areas.  ( no poles
along sand hill road , up the hill behind QMR at all ) 
it lies in the valley behind the hill rear of QMR. 
also , the above picture clearly shows a massive , smoothed out , pile
of dirt that evidently came from out of the ground.  if there
is a mine there that might explain the dirt but it's gonna take
a " look " to  understand what those pictures are 
actually showing.


is  Country Canyon Rd that place that lies right of the QMR gates and
rises  up high on the hill ( where all the trailers and small houses
are )  or did  you find a road that goes " north " along side the QMR
property ..... possibly down that dirt road right of the QMR gates and
not turning south back up that hill ? 

it's only  about 3 hours from here ..... I can run down there
and look about any time I want .  had several people
with me , in the suv, last time and they  were freaking out
, afraid ,  ..... need to take my braver friends next time.
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