gentlemen ........... h hah ah ah aha ha 

please , by all means , don't take my word for any of this.  
go visit the site yourself.  the entire place is completely open to
public access and nearly every single feature mentioned in the 
Tehachapi base web site is available for your consideration
right from the comfort of your vehicle. 

we enjoyed the trips and explorations and I'm quite sure that you
will do the same.  the fresh air and mild altitude 
 ( 4000 ' ) is very refreshing.

before your trip , look up the front gate location of QMR
n 35  11.818  w 118 20.070   and the " front access area of 
Steven's claimed base  N 35.4281   W 118.31438 , and realize
that when you arrive at QMR , you are " miles " inside the so called
base. you can drive right up to  nearly  every single important
claimed  feature .....  portals, run out strip, sims   and so fourth
and examine them for yourself and make your own conclusion.  a close
friend , in the group , especially enjoyed examination of the  "
claimed "  manufacturing area and run out strip ( especially rich )
as mentioned  in Stephen's site ... both right off upper Sand Hill
Road  ,   a ways "  before "   the QMR gates.    we all got a kick out
of those ! 

quite clearly Steven J Smith has NEVER visited the site himself and
has , unfortunately , relied upon the misinformation and advice of
others to perpetuate his  great Tehachapi myth.   I love it myself,
I'm sure you will also.   if you haven't been there then shut up and
sit down .. quit blowing off about something you know nothing about
!!!  ayyaya yahah ah a    I absolutely challenge you to visit the site
before you run your mouth about the place.  

when you get back , I'll accept your humble public apology , right
here in the NG.  hurry now ......... it really is  interesting fun .  

sad tho, is Steven Smith's pathetic attempt to keep his detailed
myth  of   fabrication alive.  every single person actually visiting
the site will surely feel sorry for him  ( if he really believes that
crap , which seems highly unlikely )  .  I know I would ..........  

I really can't say about his other " works " . I can only say that 
what I " do know " of him rates him as an excellent and accomplished
science fiction writer . in that respect he is very skilled. are his
other  works woven of similar fabric ... dunno...... but certainly his
T base stuff is  ... why not parts or all of his other works  as well
?   seems  plausible doncha think ?   Steven must have
( or should have , anyway ) expected this type of reaction to his "
works " as a result of his (  quite easily debunked ) elaborate 
 Tehachapi  site fabrication.  seriously now !!      



k.........
 

BTW:
no glaring contradictions ! simply put , since we so easily drove
right through the " supposed " base , meeting resistance only at QMR,
we jumped to the conclusion that QMR represented some attempt to
restrict access. a simple case of the " willing " ( and I did so want
it to be real )  mind making the evident  ( and incorrectly I  admit )
facts stretch to fit the " story " .  a  closer, more deliberate ,
 ( gps )   examination reveals the mistake and the disappointing ,
utterly simple truth.  thats my case ...... go  find out for yourself,
it's fun. 


the " run out strip " 
http://mapper.acme.com/?lat=35.168108&long=-118.33408&scale=10&theme=Image&width=3&height=2&dot=Yes
simply a brush and tree laden fiend with terrain features disturbed by
the poorly done construction of some drainage ditch or irrigation 
ditch. his " access portal " is actually the effect of light and
shadow caused by a berm in the side yard of a delapidated 
inhabited house. no evidence of underground or access construction
of any kind.  a great place to compare  Steven's work with reality !


Steven's claimed  base access area ...
http://mapper.acme.com/?lat=35.142817&long=-118.31437&scale=10&theme=Image&width=3&height=2&dot=Yes


the actual location of QMR . miles up the open public county road  (
sand hill road )  from the above supposed access  area.
http://mapper.acme.com/?lat=35.18048&long=-118.33647&scale=10&theme=Image&width=3&height=2&dot=Yes
you drive right by a number of Steven's most important site features
to arrive at the QMR  RV park gates.   they are easy to check out. 

an interesting example of how the information on Stephen's site is "
managed " ( fabricated ) is his detailed description of this " mystery
pole "  !!!
http://www.geocities.com/electrogravitics/th-puf-13.html

in fact of reality these " poles " and there are dozens / hundreds of
them as seen in this wider picture of the same road area 
http://mapper.acme.com/?lat=35.162414&long=-118.32773&scale=10&theme=Image&width=3&height=2&dot=Yes
exist along a large portion of Sand Hill Road and are tall metal power
grid  poles that carry electrical power from the nearby wind generator
fields , down to the local power grid at highway 58.  nothing
mysterious ( as usual )  about this  at all. 

Steven's  "  Above Ground Personnel Housing Compound Analysis " seen
here http://www.geocities.com/electrogravitics/th-abs-10.html is
nothing more than a deshelved neighborhood filled with native american
residents that ( seemingly ) love horses .  you can easily visit this
area and look for all the intrusion detection sites , underground
portals and sim houses you want.  you will find they are telephone
connector boxes , water  pump covers , shadows   and other similar
simple stuff.  they let you walk all over the place. 

and on and on ....... 



On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 10:32:54 -0700, "Lumpy"
<lumpy@digitalcartography.com> wrote:

ssmith6565@aol.com wrote:

Perhaps krackula would like to explain
the glaring contradiction between his
statements in this post, and his previous
statements on the subject...

That's exactly my thinking.

Nothing has been debunked here. Krack, you've
simply pointed to some scientific papers that
the guy has written. Those papers may sound
absurd or believable or somewhere in between
(I haven't read them). But it doesn't look like
they are presented as science fiction.

I tend to not share quite the "black helicopter"
view that the website author does regarding
T Ranch Complex. I actually think that a lot
of his conclusions are based on an overactive
imagination. But I don't see any debunking
going on, based on the find of his other
papers.


Lumpy