I have a more recent photography that I haven't got around to scanning.
It was really windy that day, so I took 6 images of each frame, hoping
one will be sharp. It is the same gear as I used for this photograph:

<http://www.lazygranch.com/images/ttr/april2005/ttr_sandia_april_2005.jp2>

You will need a jpeg2000 viewer such as irfanview with the jpeg 2000
plug in.

krackula wrote:

On 30 Oct 2005 23:17:48 -0800, miso@sushi.com wrote:

Check out archive.org for old web info.

I hadn't realized Chuck was selling Area 51 panoramics. You can
download mine for free. I get about 25k visits (not hits) a month, so
I'm turning down a nice chunk of change by not having ads, but the
server cost is under $10 a month. Bandwidth may eventually become a
problem. I serve up 25G to 30Gbytes, with a 40Gbyte limit. I make the
work of the feds easy by hosting my website in Vegas.

my new son-in-law was impressed with Chuck's panorama , displayed
there on  the wall at the Inn and asked about it. I think it was about
$300 for a copy , but it might have been less ( $150 )  !  he bought a
smaller version for around $15 ( I think ) .  I'm not sure why the
large one was so high priced.  I'll steer Steve ( son-in-law ) to your
picture !

I got 22 visit from Nellis this month with 83 Mbytes of data transfer.
I haven't bothered to check what they are downloading, but I suspect it
is redflag audio. NASA downloaded 92Mybtes thus far this month. Odds
are these are just employees with the same kind of curiousity we have.
If they wanted to surf in secret, I'm sure they know how.

you probably have far better pictures of their work place then they
do. probably getting your pics for home memories and interest in
other activities in the complex which they probably never can hear
about at work .  ha h ahahhahaah

Chuck does have a good set of photos from Freedom Ridge, so the detail
is good but the photos themselves would date back to the last land
grab. Since the base put up that wall (of shame!), we may have to start
photographing the base from the north to see what they are hiding.

The web analyzer somehow is now recording the web search hits. Area 51
and Groom Lake get about 60x the traffic of the Tonopah Test Range.
This proves that hiding stuff in plain site is better than secrecy.
Edwards south base is a good example. You can see south base from the
border, but since the base isn't every remotely a secret (like the
TTR), nobody cares.

The best thing to do with information is put it on the net. Once
something is out in cyberspace, it never dies. The only information I
don't put out are things the base would change if published, such as
frequencies, and crash site locations, since the plane parts get
swiped.

it's interesting that the base is so up tight with Chuck's  activities
related to those sensors.  I  can remember a time when you could see
a number of those little metal looking boxes, with wires,  on the east
entrance road on the north side. they have been gone for a while now ,
tho , probably got newer equipment and buried it better .  frankly, it
wouldn't be  difficult , at all, to discover where a lot of them were
if you wanted to.  it's be fairly easy if you wanted to spend a few
dollars and a little time.  I think Chuck's mistake was to bring in
outsiders ,  press at that ,  and start revealing stuff that might
get published.  base security could easily be seen as a national
security issue and they'd take issue with  any important security
details going  public.
    they are pretty kewl  about  guys like us generally. they take
time to check you out  when you show up in sensitive places but
if you aren't a threat , just a hobbyist trying to get a look , they
( in my experience ) usually leave you alone .  I could start a
photo album with the late night pictures my  IR camera security
system has captured of them messing with my vehicles.   I used
to be a nuke tech and possibly some of the attention I get is related
to past government jobs I've had, dunno for sure.  like you, I show up
in so many " sensitive " places, they are starting to wave at me to
say hello !!! ah aha ha hah ah ah aha   even with Chuck , all they
have really done ( so far ) is  scare him a little , they surely know
that he isn't really a threat or dangerous, except if he starts
compromising base security details.  we all have to take care not to
go too far with some information , we just have to use common sense.
  one thing good about Chuck's visit is that it helps us to get a
reality check and it helps establish some " limits " that we need to
observe  ( in out activities )  so as not to get the " boys " on our
backs  too. h ah ah ah hah a ha

krackula wrote:

On 30 Oct 2005 18:23:36 -0800, miso@sushi.com wrote:

<http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1330758&nav=168XGVQf>

da_bastige wrote:

<miso@sushi.com> wrote in message
news:1130703470.896221.315910@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Let's see...Chuck Clark gets his house raided by the FBI, an associate
of his gets questioned by the FBI regarding Chuck's activities, and I
get told by security to stop published photographs on the net of a
certain base. I'd say there are a few people "doing something about
it."

I don't know who that is.  What are you doing?

we talked  with  Chuck on a visit , last weekend. ( my son-in-law,
brother-in-law, daughter and myself )
 he was at the Inn when we were there.  nice guy, tho prints of his
wide view vista shot of groom lake  are  rather  high priced !  ha hah
a ha hah a   he had quite a lot to say about the visit  from the feds.
thinks they had his phone tapped and waited until he was out of town
to act. said LOTS more that but  I don't think I'd  better repeat it
here !  interesting !

dunno who told you to stop publishing your pictures but I'd be
inclined to take them serious tho.  ( if it was any of the " boys "  )
what happened to Chuck might happen to you next.  with all this new
homeland security stuff in place, they can do a lot more than they
used to be able to get away with. not that many people really know
all that much about area51 with all that misdirection stuff on the
web. ( east entrance, etc )   it's  also why I never mentioned
anything  much about the base picture I uploaded on alt.binaries.a51
for you to look at , after talking to Chuck .

they already surely have checked you out , completely, and still
taking your pictures, and looking around , is probably OK ...
they just don't want the whole world to know too much detailed
stuff . ( if you know what I mean )  if they didn't, they'd probably
already have visited you and taken everything.  I'd make a backup
of everything and secure it in a safe place, just in case !

same thing happened with Hawthorne !  the web used to be loaded with
pictures, maps , info pages etc. now you can't hardly even find
listings for " The Naval Underseas Weapons Testing Laboratories  " .
the " boys " had it all removed " in the interest of national security
 " .

still, it's all pretty exciting , isn't it ? h aha ha ha ha a ha
especially   with the slight element of danger !



k