I'll see if I can get the CLUI people to look into this. They would
know why it is restricted. There would have to be a Public Law Order to
restrict the land, but I'd don't know how to research that.

It wouldn't be out of the ordinary to store items in an old mine. That
particular area is probably more desolate than central Nevada.

Krackula wrote:

On 26 Dec 2005 21:47:45 -0800, miso@sushi.com wrote:

I know the general area, so I guess I won't be visiting it soon due to
weather. What is located in this restriction area? Is it really
restricted?
<http://mapper.acme.com/?lat=38.247713&long=-118.62331&scale=12&theme=Topo&width=8&height=6&dot=Yes>

BOY HOWDEY  !!! is it ever restricted !!!!   every time you get even
close to the place , on the main road,  and pull over  to take a look
at those   huge white " keep out , guarded  24/ 7,  lethal force
authorized " signs  " the boys " show up in just a few minutes .....
usually from on up the  highway ( towards Hawthorne ) if you are
coming from the California side !  I don't think they are actually
coming from  any of those secret ( ? ) Military facilities at
Hawthorne, tho ... cuz they get there WAY too quickly. it'd be
interesting to be " up " that road and have someone trip the sensors
and watch and see where they do come from.  those  heavily armed (
black ) choppers probably do come from someplace around  Hawthorne as
I suspect they guard both this place and all that stuff  around
Hawthorne as well.  ( just a guess tho )

uhhhhhhh ........ your topo map  ( above ) shows that the " restricted
" area has been  " much " enlarged and NOW includes the upper
Box canyon Road and all those ( previously public land )  peaks that
you could climb to see that one ( very large )  underground  entrance.

sooooooooo ..... forget about what I said about being able to drive on
the Box Canyon Road for a look at the underground entrance.
oh well ............ guess I'm gonna have to get to work on that  gas
powered  1/8  scale  camera platform  Piper Cub after all !!!! ha haha
ha h ahaha

some friends had  been kinda hammering the place in recent times
( curiosity that killed the cat !!!  ) and I told them to lay off a
bit ......  especially since they seemed a bit too touchy about the
place  lately !


this location is claimed to be a  munitions disposal area. but it is
surprisingly  heavily guarded to be such a site , first and  2nd
why is it located in such a desolate and remote area ??
there are zillions of suitable and  closer spots  ( to Hawthorne )
if it serves the Naval Underseas Weapons Testing Labs or the
Army Munitions Storage Facility , in the mountains  across the
highway from the  NUWTL.   quite possibly it isn't used by either
place and  could be a disposal area for  types  ( if thats what it
really is at all )  of munitions ( radioactive, chemical or ?? )  that
have to have severely restricted access because of their dangerous
nature.

some people say it has 3 different underground entrances and
quite clearly shows a  surprisingly mysterious looking LARGE
ovalish ( football shaped ) underground structure in the center of the
canyon that is in the center of the base. old topo maps show
a dry chemical lake there ( lithium I think it was ) in that isolated
canyon.   personally , I've looked the maps over and only seen one
place that looks like it could  be a underground entrance.  my large
heavy  vehicle gets stuck easily ( 6000 lbs , 2wd ) and I haven't been
brave enough to go on the box canyon road yet. looks like it's too
late now ! probably a good thing I didn't try to go back there !

some ( knowledgeable ) friends think this is a large " rabit hole "
disguised as a munitions disposal area and that they actually do "
some " disposal there to hide it's real intent.  other friends think
there is a large underground facility there filled with ( old ? )
potentially dangerous munitions ( radioactive ? )  that have to be
kept from the normal types of munitions held in the hawthorne area.
I seriously doubt the  " dangerous " munitions claims because
Hawthorne routinely collects , stores and  distributes " dangerous "
munitions including nuclear munitions as can be seen by this " nuclear
" quality loading and unloading facility on the Hawthorne Base
( see those zillions of rail cars and underground elevator facilities
? the berm types  and  other features indicate it nuclear suitable.
do those 9 poc marks look like anything you have seen west
of area51 ?? h aha ha hah  especially the one farthest to the upper
right , away from the berm . it  has a large square bulldozed area
there where they have hidden the ejecta from the crater ? ah aha ha
if you look closely , you can see that  ejecta has been bulldozed from
" all " the poc marks but the berm hides a lot of it  !!!   )
http://mapper.acme.com/?lat=38.505321&long=-118.54918&scale=9&theme=Image&width=3&height=2&dot=Yes

this is a fairly late model facility and is 40 stories underground
.....  they surely wouldn't need a site like mentioned above
, unless something  " real unusual " is kept / dealt with there .


traveling on that road to Hawthorne , weekdays , in the mornings
can frequently be a problem. I'll email you  with more information
about  driving that road.

look this place over ...... it's Lucky Boy Mine ...... in lucky boy
pass on the outskirts of Hawthorne. it's a couple  thousand
feet above Hawthorne and overlooks " everything " to be seen
going on there !  quite an impressive and handy photographic
view !

http://mapper.acme.com/?lat=38.504328&long=-118.6655&scale=15&theme=Image&width=3&height=2&dot=Yes

those dots all over the ground in grid  patterns are all the old
bunkers left from the 60s / 70s era ....... everything is underground
now.  in this same view ..... slightly to the north and traversing to
the west  ( from the mine )  can be seen the highway ( restricted
access on a army post ) into the mountains where the ARMY  keeps
  some munitions  ( or ?? )  in tunnels  there  too.