Robster wrote:

krackula wrote:

I've used  both an IR scanner ( the type the fire departments use in
smoke filled fires )

Aren't they used at close quarters - how do they work at long distances?

and my own home made laser radar at area 51 and

I'm a little confused by what you mean by "laser radar" to be honest?  I
know there's RADAR, and Lasers, but how they work together... not sure?

Oh - just to show how much of a tit I am sometimes - I forgot to lookup
"lidar" before I wrote the above!  Goggle is my friend :)

were  the plumes  ( for lack of a better way of saying it )
from many of those hidden tunnel vents

Thats something at least - were you aware of the hidden tunnels before?

 > interestingly enough,  I've learned that you ( a person ) could

probably  discover new and interesting  information with these two
tools .... BUT .... it boils down to having the right " stuff " in the
right place at the right time.

Yeah, I think that is a good point.

Of course, without physical evidence (i.e a post on the net), you can't
verify any of these techniques have been used. Now I'm not calling
Kracula a liar as there are things I know and exploit around the ranges
that I don't post unless someone else finally figures it out and
reveals it. Then my records of what I recorded over the years show up
on my website.

Getting back to IR, you can sense down to about 2um with those Sony
HAAD CCDs. That is no way near as good as a thermal imager, which Tom
Mahood says he used around the ranges. Tom didn't show any images
either, but given the amount of research he did around the ranges, he
is a straight shooter so I believe he did use a thermal imager on Groom
and the TTR.

I did some video with the Sony HAAD on airplanes flying at night,
though locally, i.e. not around the ranges. You can stuff this url into
the real player:
http://www.lazygranch.com/video/comair.mpg
I need to make a bracket to hold the Sony CCD on my camcorder to I can
use the viewfinder more effectively.

Other Groom Lake video:
http://www.lazygranch.com/video/keno.wmv (C130s blacked out through
night vision)
http://www.lazygranch.com/video/security_chopper.rm (at bald mountain)
http://www.lazygranch.com/video/baldcamo.rm (a bit jerky, but still
fun)