Subject: A Long Time Ago.                  Feb. 29, 2008.

  This should be part 6 of the material but we will
call it Part 1 of the second of the site of this
material.
  This talks about ants the size of cows.

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  part2 of the material:
  We received some excellent shots taken from one
of the spheres that hovered above the beach at a height
I judged to be 40 to 60 meters from the ground. Its tube
extended right to the shore. Very clearly, it
transmitted a scene of a group of human beings... Indeed,
at first sight, they were identical to people found on
Earth.
  We had a very close view. In the middle of the panel
appeared the face of a woman of uncertain age. She had
brown skin, with long black hair that fell to her
b-easts. As we could see on another screen, she was
quite n-ked. Only her face appeared to be deformed
- she was Mongoloid.
  When I saw her, I didn't realize she was deformed,
I simply assumed we had to contend with a r-ce of
humans only slightly different from our own - as
science fiction writers like to describe them - all
twisted, with big ears or such like. Still, we had
other shots and, in this group, the men and women
seemed to resemble the Polynesian ra-e.
  It was, however, obvious that more than half of
these people were either deformed or eaten away by
what appeared to be leprosy.
  They were looking towards the sphere and
gesticulating, appearing to be greatly agitated.
Many more were emerging from the cubic constructions
which proved to be their habitations, and on which I
will elaborate a little.
  These structures closely resembled the
"blockhaus" of the Second World W-r, to which
had been added very thick chimneys (installed,
I supposed, for the ventilation of the
buildings) which only seemed to rise about
one meter above the ground. These blockhaus
were all built with the same orientation and
the people emerging from them, did so by
openings on the sides which were in shadow...
  Without warning, I felt myself drawn
backwards away from the panel.
  Rapidly, I passed through several partitions
until I found myself once again, in the cabin
where my physical being lay stretched out on
the bunk, just as I had left it.
  Instantly, everything was completely black.
How well I remember the unpleasant sensation
that followed! My limbs felt like lead and
when I tried to move them, it was as if I
was paralysed. I could not understand what
prevented me from moving. I must confess I
panicked a little and wished with all my
heart that I might leave my physical body
again, but I couldn't do that either.
  I don't know how much time elapsed before
the cabin gradually became suffused with the
most restful blue-green light. Finally Thao
entered, wearing a different suit.
  "I am sorry to have made you wait, Michel,
but just as your physical body recalled you,
it was impossible for me to come and help
you."
  "Don't apologise, I understand perfectly,"
I interrupted, "but I believe I have a problem
- I can't move. I'm sure something in me is
disconnected."
  She smiled and put her hand just beside
mine, undoubtedly operating a control
mechanism, and immediately I was freed.
  "Again, a thousand apologies, Michel. I
should have pointed out to you the spot
where the control cell for the security
harness is found.
  All the seats, beds or bunks are
equipped with them, and they are automatically
activated when occupied if there is the least
possibility of danger.
  "When the vessel arrives in a dangerous
area, the three security computers cause the
closing of the force fields, to use their
proper name. When the danger has passed they
automatically release them.
  "At the same time, if we do want to be
released in a zone deemed dangerous, or even
if we simply want to change position, we
have only to pass a hand or just a finger in
front of the cell and the force field is
immediately neutralised. When we return to our
seats, we will be automatically restrained
again.
  "Now, I'm going to ask you to go and change
- I'l show you where.
  In the room, you will see an open trunk where
you can put your clothes - in fact, all that
you are wearing apart from the glasses. You'll
find a suit there, which you are to put on
before meeting me back here."
  Thao bent down and taking my hand, she
helped me up. I was really quite stiff. I went
into the small room she had pointed out,
undressed completely and put on the suit,
which fitted me perfectly. This was surprising,
given that, in spite of my 178 centimetres in
height, I was a dwarf compared with my
hostesses.
  A short time later, back in the cabin, Thao
handed me something in the form of a bracelet,
which was actually a pair of enormous glasses.
  A little like motorcycle goggles, they were
strongly tinted. At her request, I put them on,
but to do so, I was obliged to remove my own
glasses, as they would have been crushed by
this larger pair. They fitted exactly into the
shape of my eye sockets.
  "A last precaution," she said.
  Lifting her hand towards the partition, she
in some way released a certain mechanism, for
the intense light reappeared and I felt the
intensity in spite of the strong glasses. I
was again aware of the current of cool air.
  The lights went out. The air current could
no longer be felt, but Thao did not move,
appearing to be waiting for something.
Eventually a voice was heard and she removed
my large tinted glasses. I replaced them
with my own and she asked that I follow her.
We took the same route as when I followed
her in Astral body, and we found ourselves
again, in the command room.
(from page 18 Thiaoouba Prophecy)
  One of the older astronauts (I say older
but perhaps I should instead say "more
serious" as they all appeared to be about
the same age) signalled briefly to Thao
who took me to a seat in front of the panel
and asked that I stay there. She quickly
rejoined her colleague and I realized
they were very busy.
  As for me, I began checking whether I
could in fact free myself from the force
field. As soon as I sat down, I was
effectively plastered to my seat - a
feeling I did not like at all.
  Moving my hand slightly, I found I
was immediately liberated for as long
as my hand remained in front of the cell.
  The panel relayed an image of about 500
people standing on the shore and quite
near the "blockhaus". Thanks to the
close-ups possible with our cameras, we
had an excellent view of these people, who
were quite na-ed, from the oldest down to
the youngest. Again, I could see many of
them were either deformed or sporting ugly
wounds. They were all gesturing towards
the spheres taking sand and soil samples,
but no one approached. The strongest
looking men were holding what appeared to
be machetes or sabres. They seemed to be
watching something.
  I felt pressure on my shoulder and turned
round, surprised. It was Thao. She smiled
at me and I clearly remember appreciating,
for the first time, the beauty and
nobility of her face.
  I have already mentioned her hair, which
was long and silky, golden-blond in color,
which fell to her shoulders and framed a face
that was perfectly oval in shape. She had a
large, slightly protrudingforehead.
  Her blue-mauve eyes and long curled lashes
would have been the envy of many women on our
planet. Her eyebrows curved upwards, similar
to the wings of a seagull, adding a unique
charm. Under her eyes, which sparkled and
sometimes teased, was her nose,
well-proportioned and slightly flat at the
bottom, which accentuated a s-nsual mouth.
  When she smiled, she revealed perfect teeth
- so perfect, one could believe they were
false. (This would have surprised me.) The
chin, well-shaped but slightly angular,
suggested a wilful determination that was
somewhat masculine, but this did not detract
from its charm. A faint shadow of hair above
her upper lip could have spoiled this perfect
face, were it not blond.
  "I see you already know how to free yourself
from the force field, Michel."
  I was about to reply, when an almost general
exclamation made us turn our eyes to the panel.
  The people on the beach were surging back
en masse towards the habitations and dived
inside in one big rush, while a line of men
had been formed armed with sabres or picks,
facing the most incredible "thing" I could
ever have imagined.
  A group of red ants, each the size of a cow,
were rushing from behind the rocks onto the
beach. They moved quicker than horses in
gallop.
  The armed men kept glancing behind, as if
to compare the speed at which the people
scrambled to safety, with the advance of the
ants.
  Already, the latter were near - too near...
The men faced them bravely as, with only a
second's hesitation, the first beast attacked.
We could distinguish the mandibles clearly -
each the size of a man's arm. At first, the
creature feigned, enabling the man to strike
with his sabre, but he slashed only air.
  Immediately, the mandibles encircled his
waist, severing him cleanly in two. Another
pair of ants helped the first to shred him,
while the rest launched their assault on
the fleeing combatants, gaining rapidly on
them - too rapidly...
  From the sphere, an electric-blue beam of
unbearable intensity shot out, just as the
ants were upon the men. The creatures were
struck d-ad, one after the other, with
amazing precision and effectiveness.
  Curls of smoke rose from the burnt flesh
of the animals strewn over the ground, their
enormous legs convulsing in a last spasm.
  The beam continued its devastation among
the ants, instantly and systematically
annihilating the giant insects. They must
have known instinctively that they could not
match this almost supernatural force and
fled in retreat.

Part 1.

John Winston.  johnfw@mlode.com


Subject: A Long Time Ago.  Part 2.      Mar 29, 2008.

  This shows how earthpeople treat spacepeople when
they do great things.

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  Everything had happened so quickly. Thao was still
at my side, her face reflecting disgust and sadness,
rather than anger.
  Another glance at the panel revealed a new scene -
of the sphere pursing the ants in their hasty
retreat, not only with the camera, but also with the
d-adly beam. The rest of the swarm, which I
estimated to comprise six or seven hundred, were
being decimated. Not one was left a-ive.
  The sphere returned to its earlier position above
the beach and produced a special tool with which
it combed through the carcasses. I could see one
of the astronauts seated at her desk, talking into
her computer. This prompted me to ask Thao if she
was supervising the work being carried out.
  "At the moment, yes, for this work was not
originally scheduled. We are taking samples of
these creatures, pieces of lung in particular,
in order to analyse them. We think that certain
types of radiation have produced this mutant
form of creature. In fact, ants do not have
lungs but the only logical explanation for
their sudden gigantism is..."
  Thao stopped short. The camera was relaying
a picture of the men now re-emerging form their
shelters, gesticulating wildly at the sphere.
They were holding their arms open-wide and
prostrating themselves on the ground. They
repeated this pattern.
  "Can they see this vessel?" I asked.
  "No. We are at an altitude of 40 000 metres,
and, further, there are presently three layers
of cloud between the planet and us. On the
other hand, they can see our satellite and I
think it is to that they are addressing these
gestures of gratitude."
  "Perhaps they take the sphere to be a G-d
which has saved them from ruin?"
  "It�s quite possible."
  "Can you tell me what is happening? Who are
these people?"
  "It would take too long to explain to you,
Michel, especially now with so much activity
in the vessel, but I can satisfy your curiosity
by explaining briefly.
  "These people are, in a way, the descendants
of certain ancestors of people existing still
on your planet. In fact, a group of their
ancestors peopled a continent on the planet
Earth about 250 000 of your Earth years ago.
Here, they possessed a civilization which was
very advanced but, having raised enormous
p-litical barriers between themselves, they
finally destroyed themselves, 150 years ago,
with the atom." (JW  That statement of 150
years ago could be a mistake and they may
have displaced a decimal when putting down
the number.)
  "Do you mean - a total n-clear w-r?"
  "Yes, brought about by chain reaction. We
come, from time to time, to take samples in
order to study the degree of radiation still
existing in various regions. Sometimes too,
just as a few moments ago, we help them."
  (for scandinavian readers - some similar
things was shown the swedish co-tactperson
http://www.galactic-server.net/rune/ante-ufo.html
  Ante Jonsson in 1984 - It is quite clear
that they have tried to give all klnd of
warnings to earthpeople in the last years.
  -comment
  "But they must take you to be Go- himself
after what you did just now!"
  Thao smiled and nodded her head. "Ah yes,
that's certainly true, Michel. They take us
to be go-s, exactly as, on your planet, certain
of your ancestors also took us to be gods.
  Still, they talk of us...in the past on earth
those BIG pleiadian/lyran giants was taken to
be -ods - from the more primitive earth-people
watching & their "miracles" and technique. I
see the r-ce from Thao's people possible coming
from the same cosmic family. More on this info
translated to norwegian
http://www.galactic-server.net/rune/etgen.html
here - from Lyssa Royals quite logicial
c-annelings and from information from the
con-acts from
http://www.galactic-server.net/rune/indexsemjase3.html
Semjase.  (r-�-made - not from book on the
Thao-contact)
  I must have shown complete surprise, as Thao
threw me a look of amusement.
  "I told you a moment ago that my explanation
is somewhat premature.
  We'll have plenty of time to talk of this
again. Besides, that's why you are with us."
  With that, she excused herself and resumed
her place in front of a "screen-desk". The
images were changing rapidly on the panel. The
sphere was on its way up and we had a view of
a whole section of the continent, on which,
I noticed in places, patches of green and
brown.
  The sphere took its place again within the
vessel and we departed.
  We flew over the planet at a breathtaking
speed and I allowed myself to be imprisoned
in my armchair by the force field.
  On the screen were images of the waters of
an immense ocean. We could distinguish an
island, which "grew" rapidly.
  It seemed to be a very low island although,
for me, the problems of estimating dimensions
were very real.
  The entire procedure, already described, was
repeated. We stopped above the coast and, this
time, four spheres left the spacecraft and
descended to the island. On the panel I could
see a beach which the camera was scanning.
  On the water's edge lay what looked like
thick slabs, around which were gathered n-ked
men - the same kind we had seen earlier. They
didn't appear to have noticed the sphere and
I assumed that this time, it was at a much
higher altitude, in spite of the ever closing
images we were receiving.
  On the panel, we could now see the men
carrying one of the slabs into the waves. It
floated, as if made of cork. The men hoisted
themselves up on to it, grabbed large oars
that they handled skilfully and the boat took
to the open sea. When they were a good
distance from the shore, they threw out
fishing lines and, to my surprise, almost
immediately, pulled up fish of what seemed
a respectable size.
  It was quite fascinating to see how these
men were surviving, and to be capable of
helping them, as if we were go-s.
  I had released myself from the force field,
wanting to go and study the other screens
that were receiving different images. Just
as I was about to venture from my seat, I
received an order, without hearing a sound:
"Stay where you are, Michel." I was stupefied.
It was as if the voice was inside my head.
I turned my head in Thao's direction and she
was smiling at me. I decided to try something,
and thought as hard as I could, "T-lepathy
is great, isn't it Thao?"
  "Of course," she replied in the same manner.
  "It�s wonderful! Can you tell me what the
temperature is down there at the moment?"
  She checked the data at her desk. "Twenty
eight of your degrees Celsius. By day, the
average temperature is thirty eight degrees."
  I said to myself if I was deaf and mute,
I could communicate with Thao quite as easily
as I can with the spoken word.
  "Exactly, my dear."
  I looked at Thao with some surprise. I had
been making a personal reflection and yet she
had intercepted my thoughts. I was a little put
out by this.
  She gave me a wide smile. "Don't worry,
Michel. I was merely being playful and I ask
that you forgive me.
  "Normally, I only read your thoughts when
you ask me a question. I just wanted to
demonstrate what is possible in this domain;
I won't do it again."
  I returned her smile and redirected my
attention to the panel.
  There I could see a sphere on the beach,
very close to a group of men who didn't seem
to notice it. This sphere was removing sand
samples from a spot about ten meters from the
group. By te-epathy, I asked Thao why these
people were unable to see the machine.
  "It's night," she answered.
  "Night? But how is it that we can see things
so clearly?"
  "Special cameras, Michel - something like
your infra-reds."
  Now I better understood why the images
received were less "luminous" than on our
preceding stops. However, the close-ups were
excellent. Just then, on the panel, we had a
shot of a face apparently that of a female.
It was really horrible. The poor creature
had an enormous gash where her left eye
should have been. Her mouth was positioned
to the right of her face and appeared as a
tiny little opening in the middle of her jaw,
around which were lips that seemed fused
together. On the top of her head, a single
tuft of hair hung pitifully.
  We could now see her b-easts, and very
pretty they would have been, if one of them
hadn't had a purulent wound on the side.
  "With br-asts like that she must be young?"
I asked.
  "The computer puts the age at 19 years."
  "Radiation?"
  "Of course."
  Other people appeared, some of whom were
perfectly normal looking.
  There were males among them, with an athletic
build, who looked to be in their twenties.
  "What is the age of the oldest? Do you know?"
  "At present, we have no record of anyone
older than 38 years, and a year on this planet
is 295 days of 27 hours. Now, if you look at the
screen, you can see a close-up of the g-nital
area of that handsome and athletic young man.
As you will note, the ge-itals are totally
atrophied. We've already worked out, from
previous expeditions, that there are very few
men actually capable of procreation - and yet,
there are great numbers of children. It's the
survival instinct of all r-ces to reproduce as
soon as possible. Thus, the obvious solution
would be that the males capable of reproduction
are "s-uds". This man must be one of them, I
think."
  Indeed, the camera was showing a man of
about 30 years perhaps, possessing physical
attributes certainly capable of producing
offspring.

Part 2.

John Winston.       johnfw@mlode.com

Subject: A Long Time Ago.  Part 3.       Mar. 1, 2008.

  Here Michel is fed some manna.

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  We were also able to see many children coming and
going around small fires on which food was cooking.
  The men and women seated around the fireplaces were
taking cooked pieces and sharing them with the
children. The fires seemed like wood fires, but I
couldn't be sure. They were fuelled by something
shaped rather like stones.
  Behind the fires, slabs similar to the boats seen
earlier, were piled and assembled so as to form
shelters that looked quite comfortable.
  In the camera's field of vision, no trees could be
seen - perhaps they did exist, because I had noticed
green patches earlier as we flew over the continent.
  From between two huts, some little black pigs
appeared, pursued by three furious yellow dogs, only
to disappear rapidly behind another hut. I was
dumbfounded and couldn't help but wonder if I really
was looking down on another planet. These humans
looked like me - or rather, like Polynesians - and
here were dogs and pigs. It was all more and more
surprising...
  The sphere began to return, as did the other
spheres no doubt, that were being monitored by
screens I couldn't easily see from my position.
The operation "return to ship" was initiated, and
all the spheres "reabsorbed" without incident,
the same as before.
  I assumed we were about to leave again and so
installed myself comfortably in my seat, allowing
the force field to restrain me thus.
  Some moments later, the suns of the planet
appeared, two in number, then everything dwindled
rapidly, just as it had done when we left Earth.
After a time, which seemed quite short, the force
field was neutralised and I understood that I
was free to get out of my seat.
  This was a good feeling. I noticed Thao
heading towards me accompanied by two of the
"oldest", if I can say so, of her companions.
I remained standing beside my seat before the
three astronauts.
  In order to look at Thao, I was already
obliged to raise my head, but when she
introduced me, in French, to the "elder" of
them, I felt even smaller. The latter was
easily a head taller than Thao.
  I was completely astonished when she,
Biastra, spoke to me correctly, although slowly,
in French. She placed her right hand on my
shoulder, saying, "I am delighted to have you
on board, Michel. I hope that all is well with
you and that it continues to be so. May I
present Latoli, the second-in-charge of our
spacecraft, myself being what you would call
"Commander-in-Chief of the Alatora."  (Alatora,
in their language, is the name given to their
super long-distance spacecraft.)
  Turning to Latoli, she spoke a few words in
her own language and Latoli too, placed her
hand on my shoulder. With a warm smile, she
repeated my name several times slowly, as would
someone who had difficulty pronouncing a new
language.
  Her hand remained on my shoulder and a feeling
of well-being, a definite fluid sensation,
passed through my body.
  I was so obviously overcome by this, that the
three of them began to laugh. Reading my
thoughts, Thao reassured me.
  "Michel, Latoli possesses a special gift,
although not rare among our people. What you
have been able to experience, is a fluid which is
magnetic and beneficial, and which emanated
from her."
  "It's wonderful!� I exclaimed. "Please
compliment her on my behalf." I then
addressed the two astronauts. "Thank you
for your welcome, but I must confess I am
absolutely astounded by what is happening
to me. It really is the most incredible
adventure for an Earthling such as me.
Although I have always believed in the
possibility that other planets might be
inhabited by human-like beings, I'm still
having a hard time convincing myself that
this is not a fantastic dream.
  "I had often discussed things such as
t-lepathy, extra-terrestrials and what we
call "flying saucers" with friends on Earth,
but they were just words and grand phrases
uttered in ignorance. Now I have the proof
of what I had suspected for so long
regarding the existence of parallel
universes, the duality of our beings, and
other unexplained occurrences. To experience
all that I have in these last few hours is so
exciting it takes my breath away.
  Latoli, admiring my monologue, uttered an
exclamation, in words I didn't understand but
which Thao immediately translated for me.
  "Latoli understands your state of mind
perfectly well, Michel." "As do I," added
Biastra.
  "How could she have understood what I said?"
  "She has "dipped" te-epathically into your
mind while you were speaking. As you must
realize, tel-pathy is not hindered by language
barriers."
  My astonishment amused them and perpetual
smiles played on their lips. Biastra addressed
me.

  Michel, I am going to introduce you to the
rest of the crew, if you will kindly follow me."
She guided me, by the shoulder, to the furthest
desk, where three astronauts were monitoring
the instruments.
  I hadn't yet approached these desks and,
even in Astral body, I had not paid any attention
to the read-out of these computers. The glance I
now gave them immobilised me completely. The
numerals before my eyes were in Arabic! I know
the reader will be as surprised as I was, but
it was fact. The 1s, 2s, 3s 4s etc. appearing
on the monitors, were the same numerals that
occur on Earth.
  a possible vision from such ships - here
Rune made the picture for illustating the
http://www.galactic-server.net/rune/verdant.html
VERDANTs contacts.
  Biastra noticed my astonishment. "It is true,
isn't it Michel, for you there is one surprise
after another. Don't think we are having fun
at your expense, as we totally understand your
wonder. All will fall into place in good time.
For the moment please allow me to introduce
Naola."
  The first of the astronauts rose and turned
towards me. She placed her hand on my shoulder,
as Biastra and Latoli had done. It occurred to
me that this gesture must correspond to our
handshake. Naola addressed me in her own
language and then she, too, repeated my name
three times, as if she wanted to commit it to
memory forever. She was about the same size as
Thao.
  The same ceremony followed each time I was
introduced, and thus I officially made the
acquaintance of all the members of the crew.
There was a striking resemblance between them.
Their hair, for example, varied only in length
and shade, which ranged from a dark copper to a
light golden-blond. Some had longer or broader
noses than others, but all had eyes of a color
which tended towards light rather than dark,
and all had very neat, well-shaped ears.
  Latoli, Biastra and Thao invited me to sit
down in one of the comfortable seats.
  When we were all comfortably installed, Biastra
moved her hand in a particular way near the
armrest of her seat and-I saw coming towards us,
floating in the air - four round trays. Each
carried a container of yellowish liquid and a
bowl of something whitish with a consistency
similar to fairy-floss but in granulated form.
Flat "tongs" served as forks. The trays came
to rest on the arms of our seats.
  I was quite intrigued. Thao suggested, if
I wished to partake of this refreshment, I
might like to follow her lead. She sipped from
her "glass and I did likewise, finding it
quite a pleasant-tasting drink, similar to a
water-honey mixture. My companions used the
"tongs" to eat the mixture in the bowls.
Following their example, I tasted for the
first time what we, on Earth, called "manna".
Similar to bread, it is however, extremely
light and without any particular flavour. I had
eaten only half the amount in my bowl when
already, I felt satisfied, which surprised me
considering the consistency of this food. I
finished my drink and, although I couldn't
say I'd dined in fine style, I experienced a
sense of well-being and was neither hungry nor
thirsty.
  "Perhaps you would have preferred a French
dish, Michel?" asked Thao, a smile twitching
on her lips.
  I merely smiled, but Biastra snorted.
  Just then, a signal drew our attention to
the panel. In the center, and in close-up,
appeared the head of a woman, resembling my
hostesses. She spoke rapidly. My companions
turned slightly in their seats to better
attend to what was being said. Naola, at her
desk, entered into a dialogue with the figure
on the screen, just as our television
interviewers do on Earth. Imperceptibly, the
shot changed from the close-up to a wide angle,
revealing a dozen women each in front of a
desk.
  Thao took me by the shoulder and guided me
over to Naola, installing me in a seat in
front of one of the screens. She took a seat
next to me and addressed the people on the
monitor. She spoke for some time, rapidly,
in her melodious voice, turning frequently
towards me. From all evidence, I was the main
topic of conversation.
  another picture made for the
Verdant contacts
  When she had finished, the woman re-appeared
in close-up, responding in several brief
sentences. To my great surprise, her eyes fixed
on me and she smiled. "Hello Michel, we wish
you a safe arrival on Thiaoouba."
  She waited for my reply. When I had overcome
my surprise, I expressed warm thanks. This, in
turn, elicited exclamations and numerous comments
from her companions, appearing again in a
wide-angle shot on the screen.
  "Did they understand?" I asked Thao.
  "Tel-pathically yes, but they are delighted to
hear someone from another planet speak his own
language. For most of them, this is quite a rare
experience."
Excusing herself, Thao re-addressed the screen
and, what I assumed was a technical conversation,
ensued, including Biastra. Eventually, after a
smile in my direction and a "see you soon", the
picture was cut.
  I say "cut" because the screen did not simply
become blank; rather, the image was replaced by
a beautiful, soft color - a mixture of green and
indigo blue - which produced a sense of
contentment. It gradually faded after a minute or
so.
  Turning to Thao, I asked what it had all meant -
had we rendezvoused with another spacecraft and
what was this Thiaba or Thiaoula..?

Part 3.

John Winston.  johnfw@mlode.com

Subject: A Long Time Ago.  Part 4 of 4.  Mar. 3, 2008.

  It seems that the space lady is not totally female
or male.

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  "Thiaoouba, Michel, is the name we have given to
our planet, just as you call yours "Earth". Our
intergalactic base has been in touch with us, as we
will be arriving in Thiaoouba in 16 of your Earth
hours and 35 minutes." This she had checked with a
glance at the nearest computer.
  "Those people then, are technicians on your planet?"
"Yes, as I just said, at our intergalactic base."
  "This base monitors our spacecraft continually and
if we were in trouble for technical or human reasons,
in eighty one per cent of cases, they would be able
to control our safe return to port."
  This did not particularly surprise me as I had
realized I was dealing with a superior r-ce, whose
technological possibilities were beyond my
comprehension. What did occur to me was that, not
only this spacecraft, but also the intergalactic
base appeared to be manned by only women. An all
female team such as this would be quite
exceptional on Earth.
  I wondered if Thiaoouba was populated only by
women ... like space Amazons. I smiled at the image.
I have always preferred the company of women rather
than men: it was quite a pleasant thought..!
  My question to Thao was direct. "Are you from a
planet solely populated by women?"
  She looked at me with apparent surprise, then
her face lit up with amusement. I was a little
concerned. Had I said something stupid? She took
me by the shoulder and asked that I follow her. We
left the control room and immediately entered a
smaller room (called the Haalis) which had quite
a relaxing ambience. Thao explained that we would
not be interrupted in the room, since the occupants
acquired, by their presence, the right to absolute
privacy. She invited me to choose one of the many
seats that furnished the room.
  Some were like beds, some like armchairs,
others resembled hammocks, while others again,
were like high stools with adjustable backs. I
would have been difficult to please if one of
them did not suit my requirements.
  Once settled comfortably in a kind of armchair
with Thao facing me, I watched, as her face
became serious again. She started to speak.
  "Michel, there are no women aboard this
spacecraft..."
  If she had told me that I wasn't on a spaceship
but rather, in the Australian desert, I would
have more readily believed her. Seeing the
expression of disbelief on my face, she added,
"neither are there any men." At this, my
confusion was absolute.
  "But," I faltered, "you are - what?
Just robots?"
  "No, I think you misunderstand. In a word,
Michel, we are h-rmaphrodites. You know, of
course, what an he-maphrodite is?"
  I nodded, quite dumbfounded, and then asked,
  "Is your whole planet inhabited only by
her-aphrodites?"
  "Yes."
  "And yet your face and mannerisms are more
feminine than masculine."
  "Indeed, it might appear so, but believe
me when I tell you that we are not women, but
herm-phrodites. Our r-ce has always been this
way."
  (seems logic in the view of the books from
the danish visionary
http://www.martinus.dk/
Martinus who wrote LIVETS BOG - 60-70 years ago -
where he explains that we all in one time of
e-olution will reach a level where we have the
the poles in our higher self in total balance -
and then we will get the ability to materialize
or create our bodys at will. Thaos race seems
to be on that level. Runes comment) on level
x2 is our Higher Self - connected directly to
X1 - our super/G-d-self. X3 is the bodies in
different dimensions. Here are shown only the
physical, the astral and the mental
"body- layers". On X2 level are the two -ex-poles
(F-M) that need to be in total balance before we
are REAL PEOPLE - being able to create our own
bodies by thought. As a girl here, the F(feminine)
is the dominating pole -connected to her
se-ual-center.
  R�-made illustration out of
http://martinus.dk/
Martinus ideas and not from the THAO-book.

  "I must confess, this is all very confusing.
I"m going to find it difficult to think of you
as "he" rather than the "she" I have done since
I've been among you."
  "You have nothing to imagine, my dear. We
are simply what we are: human beings from another
planet living in a world different from yours. I
can understand you would like to define us as one
s-x or the other, for you think as an Earthling
and a Frenchman. Perhaps, for once, you could
make use of the neuter gender of English and
think of us as "it".
  I smiled at this suggestion but continued to
feel disoriented. Only moments ago, I had
believed myself to be among Amazons.
  "But how can reproduction of your -ace
occur?" I asked. "Can an hermap-rodite
reproduce?"
  "Of course we can, exactly as you do on
Earth; the only difference being that we
genuinely control the births - but that is
another story. In good time, you will
understand, but now we should rejoin the
others."
  We returned to the control post, and I
found myself looking at these astronauts
with new eyes. Looking at the chin of one,
I found it to be more masculine than it had
seemed earlier. Another's nose was decidedly
masculine, and the hairstyles of some were
now more manly.
  It occurred to me that we really do see
people as we think they are and not as they
are.
  In order to feel less embarrassed among
them, I created a rule for myself: I had taken
them to be women, as to me they were more like
females than males: thus I would continue to
think of them as women and we'd see how that
worked.
  From where I was, I could follow, on the
central panel, the movement of stars as we
proceeded on our way. Sometimes they appeared
enormous and blinding as we passed by a little
too closely - a few million kilometers from
them. At times too, we noticed planets of strange
colors. I remember one was of an emerald green,
so pure I was stunned. It resembled an enormous
jewel.
  Thao approached and I took advantage of the
opportunity to ask her about a band of light
that had appeared at the base of the screen.
This light was composed of what looked like
millions of tiny explosions.
  "These are caused by our anti-matter guns,
as you would call them on Earth, and are, in
fact, explosions. At the speed at which we
travel, the most minuscule of meteorites would
shatter this spacecraft were we to hit it. So,
we make use of specific rooms to store certain
forms of dust under enormous pressure, and this
is fed into our anti-matter guns. Our vessel
could be considered to be a cosmotron, firing
streams of accelerated particles that
disintegrate the most microscopic of errant
bodies in space, for great distances ahead and
to the sides of our spacecraft. This is what
allows us to attain speeds that we can. Around
our vessel, we create our own magnetic field..."
  "Oh please, not so fast. As you know Thao,
I have no scientific background and if you speak
of cosmotrons and accelerated particles, you are
going to lose me. I understand the principle,
which is certainly very interesting, but I'm not
good on technical terms. Can you tell me instead,
why the planets on the screen are colored the way
they are?"
  "Sometimes because of their atmospheres and
sometimes because of the gases which surround
them. Do you see a multicolored point with a tail,
at the right of the screen?" The "thing" was
approaching at high speed. Second by second we
were better able to admire it.
  It seemed to explode constantly and change
form, its colors indescribably rich. I looked at
Thao.
  "It's a comet," she said. "It completes a
revolution around its sun in approximately 55
of your Earth years."
  "How far are we from it?"
  She glanced at the computer: "4 150 000
kilometres."
  "Thao," I said, "How is it you use the numerals
of Arabic? And when you speak of "kilometers", are
you translating for me, or do you actually use
this measure?"
  "No. We count in Kato and Taki. We use the
numerals that you recognize as Arabic, for the
simple reason that it is our own system - one
which we took to Earth."
  "What? Please explain further."
  "Michel, we have several hours before arriving
at Thiaoouba. This is probably the best time to
start "educating" you seriously on certain
matters. If you don't mind, we'll go back to the
Haalis, where we were before."
  I followed Thao, my curiosity stronger than ever.

http://www.galactic-server.net/rune/thaoeng2.html

http://www.galactic-server.net/rune/thaoeng.html

Part 4 of 4.

John Winston.   johnfw@mlode.com

Subject: The DAL Universe.             Feb. 3, 2008.

  These people believe that not only are their
people on other planets but there are people from
anther Universe.  It's called the DAL Universe.

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Subject: ASKET of DAL Pt.1

  (Note: These are dissertations' given by Asket
(from the Dal universe) to one Billy M-iers of
Switzerland...D-x)
Courtesy of A-leen:

  ASKET'S EXPLANATION on February 3, 1953

  As Me-er listened, Asket explained that, in
order to perform their mission, they had to
neutralize the space and time structure of
our universe for harmonic passage without
hurting their ships and the universe. Asket's
home world was in a similar system called
Akon in an entirely different universe known
as the DAL universe. It is one among others
that enclose this universe. Many lay in other
time planes and different spaces. The DAL
universe is a parallel universe to this one
and in the same time plane.

  The reason for Asket to come into our universe
is in a s-irit of research, for the human r-ce
because of earlier centuries. Due to their
technology, a universal barrier was opened and
they explored the widths of this universe
3,300 years ago, they discovered Earth in the
Sun's solar system. In their research, they
also discovered the original home world and
history of the human ra-e because humanity did
not originate on Earth. Human beings are the
descendants of a rac- from the Ringed Nebula.
The actual descendants of earthly forefathers
no longer populate the Ringed Nebula, but live
on planets in the region of a cluster of stars
referred to as the "Seven Sisters" or the
Pleiades. Mei0r was told that, within twenty
years, these matters would be cleared up by the
descendants of humanity's forefathers themselves,
when he becomes mature enough to bear the new
explanations and concepts.

  Until that time Meie- was told that it was
his obligation to gain much more knowledge and
wisdom in order to fulfill his very heavy
mission. He was informed that he was elected to
be a truth teller, like innumerable ones in
early times before him. But, in order for him
to be prepared for this mission, he would have
to become greater in sp-ritual knowledge than
any other earthly human being of his time.
Because of this, he was placed under the
guardianship of a certain form of life which
had to protect him, lead, guide, and educate
him since before his birth. This also happened
for all former truth-tellers that were chosen
before their births. This embodies a Law of
Creation that cannot be disobeyed. It is false
to believe that truth-tellers are called for
their missions in certain years of their
lives because their way is already destined
at their birth and will develop itself
accordingly. Such a life is extraordinarily
difficult and hard because there is so much
to be learned. Prophets are never able to
have easy and smooth lives.

  True truth-tellers and prophets only offer
words of liberty and knowledge, of love and
wisdom in absolute logic. Wrong truth-tellers
and prophets only bring heresies and illogic
which must be continuously developed over
time while actual truth-tellers and prophets
offer lessons of truth, being eternally the
same and never altered. -eier was told that
within twenty years, he would write a great
lesson of truth, being transmitted to him
from a very high spir-tual entity. It will
come from the same level as where also the
carpenter's son E-manuel, whom is erroneously
known as Je--s C-rist, received his knowledge.
It will become the final lesson of the New
Time; a lesson of truth, knowledge, the
clearing up of love, and a lesson of the A-e
of A-uarius. It will be a lesson of absolute
truth about many other things and for all
coming times. If new forms of life come and
want to change it, then they are only of
deceptive character and evil l-es.

  Asket explained that it is the obligation
of each higher developed form of life to
assist under-developed forms with help in
responsible measure to influence its
e-olution. This obligation is for all forms
of life in all universes because it is in
creational law. So, when they come from
another universe, this duty requires them
at a certain time to officially make contact.
After many years have passed, Asket said
that she would contact M-ier again when she
has returned to her universe. They have
recognized many matters in our universe in
need of change and especially on Earth,
which are very dangerous. Mankind has
entered an ag- of knowledge and development
that is badly disturbed, especially by
re-igions that influence enslavement,
humiliation, and exploitation of humanity.

  The limitless greed for power is evident
in all earthly reli-ions and represents the
most dangerous threat for the eventual goal
of a w-rld g-vernment. All earthly
go-ernments are subjected to reli-ious
influences that endeavor to unite them
under a single wo-ld gov-rnment. These wicked
efforts have always resulted in w-rs and the
d-ath of numerous human lives. Mankind has
developed deadly weapons of destruction and
will soon venture out into space in manned
rocket ships. Earth humans will walk on the
moon and speak words of peace and love. But
they are only words of deception for the
unconquerable greediness for a wor-d
gov-rnment. Humanity has e-olved to a high
level, but only technologically and in pure
materialistic regards. Spiri-ual evolu-ion
has been wickedly prejudiced and forced aside
in favor of the worldly and material concerns.
That has resulted in many kinds of degeneration
and fanaticism. The most ev-l factors of
earthly relig-ons are in the c-rsing and
denial of all reality and truth.

  Nowhere else do such relig-ons of delusion
exist in the universe as they rage on Earth.
They become a danger as they slowly and de-dly
begin to spread. Not only have earthly human
beings pushed their world and the whole solar
system dangerously close to destruction, but
also space traveling rac-s have excited three
of their home worlds with earthly religi-us
delusions, requiring them to be brought under
control again by outside forces. Expeditions
were sent to Earth to explore the facts
concerning religi-n. All of their nations were
educated in the earthly Ch-istian reli-ion and
after thousands of years of living in peace
and harmony with all forms of life and
themselves, their world changed into the very
picture of life on Earth. Soon, they mu-dered
each other until they degenerated into an
evil worldwide wa-.

  Eventually, transgressions against the other
two worlds ensued and caused one of them to be
de-troyed. At last, other space-traveling r-ces
interfered and ended the deadly dissension which
was already being carried into the universe. All
relig-ous material was destroyed. Chr-stianity
was strictly forbidden, and the old form of
living came back again. All visits to earth were
prohibited and a regulation was established
that, if anything should go wrong with a ship
on the Earth, the whole crew had to eliminate
itself along with the ship. A great spaceship
had malfunctioned over Russia and was unable
to leave the Earth's atmosphere. As a consequence,
the ship and 4,300 extraterrestrial beings turned
to dust in an explosion and damaged the landscape,
causing an extensive crater. (Tungusta?)

........

  We continue with Asket's teaching to Billy
Meiers. (FEB. 1953)

  Many other dangerous events have also
occurred. Humanity is now able to destroy
this world with atomic explosions and cause
very dangerous consequences for the whole
solar system. Thousands of years ago, a
similar catastrophe occurred when another
inhabited planet in this solar system became
destroyed by the unreasonableness of the
humans living there. The planet blew up
into thousands of pieces that have come to
be known as the asteroid belt. The name of
the planet was Malon and the explosion
forced Mars into a closer orbit to the Sun.
A further such event must be prevented and
it is the duty of higher forms of life to
prevent it. An atomic destruction of the
earth could damage the whole solar system
and expel very dangerous missiles out into
space. This could result in the destruction
of other solar systems and could lead to
a cosmic catastrophe. Even adjoining
universes could be damaged because this
solar system has giant planets with extremely
large gravitational fields. With the
destruction of earth, the whole time and
space structure could become distorted and
whole universes could fall into deadly
destruction.

  Asket said that it was their main obligation
to prevent this possible occurrence and,
together with many other forms of life from
other worlds in the universe, to control the
earth by interfering in politics and re-igion
by coercing leading personalities unconsciously
toward lowering their intrigues and pol-tical
agendas. So, it is unfortunately unavoidable
that several leading forces of different states
on the earth will be destroyed by smaller
organizations, deposed or even m-rdered. This
succession of leaders will be very long, that
will die by as-assination. But, they cannot
change that. It is not their guilt that this will
come to pass because it is the earth human
beings themselves who are to blame. They do not
want anyone to die, but they want peace for all
in the universe. Unfortunately, they only have
until the autumn of 1974 to prevent the
destruction of Earth and this time is very short.
Should their mission fail, then this could
result in a universal catastrophe. However, they
have very good expectations for success of their
mission. (This was written in Feb. of 1953)

  Once they have completed their mission, then a
short time later Me-er's mission will become due,
for which there is still more to prepare for. As a
truth teller and prophet, M-ier will bring to
mankind eternal and absolute truth. Asket informed
-eier that it was his mission to clear up the real
truth for mankind and to offer a way of peace, love,
knowledge, and wisdom in truth. His time would be
short because of further dangerous affairs that are
coming to pass from power hungry powers. In addition
to A-erica, Russia and China who seek to en-lave the
world, J-wish Z-onists, with the help of the
C-ristian rel-gions, will sharpen their b-oody
s-ords to control the Earth. Already, they prepare
for a first decisive strike to enlarge their
country and generate dangerous land-commanding
emplacement.

  However, Asket tells Me-er that the time is not
right for these matters to appear openly and that
he is ordered to keep silent about it until she
gives him permission to speak. The course of
ev-lution must take its normal steps and should
not become hampered by a too early release of
this knowledge. Earth humans will succumb to their
thirst for power and their own deadly intrigues
will be changed for good purposes.

  Asket said that the series of events will be
very long and that she could only tell about a
few dates that will become very important to
world affairs. She also explained that M-ier
would have to keep absolutely silent about
these events until she gave him permission to
disclose them because the future events must
occur as destined in order to prevent a
catastrophe that could destroy the whole universe.
She cautioned him that his life will be in danger
when he reveals these sec-et events. Mei-rs was
instructed to write down these predictions and
keep them hidden until when he is permitted to
reveal them.

  This took place in February 1953. It was true
that many have tried to e-terminate Billy. He
has been shot at 22 times and each time something
saved him. I am not sure of the count, it could
be more by now.

John Winston.  johnfww@2mlode.com

Subject: The First Man On Earth.  Mar. 4, 2008.

  This talks about the first people on Earth and
is a continuation of the material about our past.

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             The first man on Earth
  Once comfortably re-established in the Haalis,
the relaxation room previously described, Thao
began her strange recital.
  "Michel, 1 350 000 years ago precisely, on the
planet Bakaratini of the constellation Centaur, a
decision was made by the leaders of that planet,
following numerous conferences and reconnaissance
expeditions, to send inhabited vessels to the
planets Mars and Earth.
  "There was a very simple reason for this: their
planet was cooling down internally and would become
uninhabitable within 500 years. They thought, with
good reason, that it was preferable to evacuate
their people to a younger planet of the same
category..."
  "What do you mean by �the same category"?
  "I will explain later, to do so now would be
premature. Going back to these people, I must
tell you that these beings were human - very
intelligent and highly evolved. A b-ack race,
they had thick lips, flattened noses and frizzy
hair - resembling, in these ways, the bl-cks now
living on Earth.
  "These people had inhabited the planet
Bakaratini for 8 000 000 years, in co-habitation
with a yellow-colored r-ce.
  "To be precise, this was what you call on Earth,
the Chinese ra-e and they had inhabited Bakaratini
for about 400 years prior to the bla-ks. The two
r-ces witnessed numerous revolutions during their
time on the planet.
  We tried to provide relief, assistance and
guidance but, in spite of our intervention, w-rs
broke out periodically. These, along with the
natural disasters occurring on the planet, served
to thin the ranks in both ra-es.
  "Finally, a n-clear wa- broke out on such a
grand scale that the entire planet was plunged
into darkness and temperatures fell to minus 40
of your degrees Celsius. Not only did at-mic
radiation destroy the population, but cold and
lack of food accomplished the rest.
  from page 30
  "It is a recorded fact that a mere 150 bla-k
people and 85 yellow people survived the catastrophe,
from a population of seven billion b-ack and four
billion yellow humans. A register of survivors was
taken just before they began to reproduce and when
they had stopped k-lling each other."
  "What do you mean "killing each other"?
  "Let me explain the whole situation to you
and you'll be able to understand better.
  "First of all, it is important to explain
that those who remained were not, as you might
expect, the leaders, well protected in specially
equipped shelters.
  "The survivors, comprising three groups of
blac-s and five groups of yellows, had come,
some from private shelters and others from large
public shelters. Of course, at the time of the
wa-, there were many more than 235 people in
shelters: indeed it is believed there were over
800 000 in all.
  Following months of confinement in the darkness
and intense cold, they were eventually able to
risk going outside.
  "The blacks ventured out first, finding almost
no trees, no plants and no animals to speak of,
on their continent. It was a group, isolated from
their shelter in the mountains, who first knew
c-nnibalism. Because of the lack of food, when
the weakest d-ed, they were eaten; then, in order
to eat, they had to ki-l each other - and that
was the worst catastrophe on their planet.
  "Another group, near the ocean, managed to
survive by eating the only living things left on
the planet, which were not too contaminated, that
is, the molluscs, some fish and crustaceans. They
still had unpolluted drinking water thanks to
very ingenious installations enabling them to
obtain water from incredible depths.
  "Of course, many of these people still di-d, as
a result of lethal radiation on the planet and
from eating fish which were filled with
radioactivity.
  "Much the same course of events occurred in
the yellows" territory; so that, as I have said,
150 -lacks and 85 yellows remained, then finally,
de-ths resulting from the w-r ceased and
reproduction began again.
  "All of this occurred, in spite of all the
warnings they had received.
  It should be said that before this almost
total decimation, both the bl-ck r-ce and the
yellow ra-e had attained a very high level of
technological advance. The people lived in
great comfort. They worked in factories, private
and g-vernment enterprises, offices - just as
happens now on your planet.
  "They had a strong devotion to money which,
to some, meant power and to others, wiser, it
meant well-being. They worked on average 12
hours per week.
  "On Bakaratini a week comprises six days of 21
hours each. They tended to the material rather
than the s-iritual side of their existence. At the
same time, they allowed themselves to be duped
and led in circles by a structure of p-liticians
and bureaucrats, exactly as is happening now on
Earth. Leaders fool the masses with empty words
and, motivated by greed or pride, they "lead"
entire nations towards their downfall.
  "Gradually, these two great rac-s began to
envy each other and, as there is only one step
from envy to h-te, eventually they ha-ed each
other so much and so completely that the
catastrophe occurred. Both possessing very
sophisticated arms, they achieved their mutual
destruction.
  "Our historical records show, then, that 235
survived the disaster, six of them being children.
These statistics were recorded five years
afterwards, and their survival is attributed to
ca-nibalism and certain marine life.
  "They reproduced - not always "successfully"
as it was not uncommon for babies to be born
with horribly misshapen heads or ugly weeping
sores.
  They had to endure all the effects of ato-ic
radiation on human beings.
  "One hundred and fifty years later, there were
190 000 b-acks - men, women and children, and
85 000 yellows. I speak to you of this 150 year
period because this was when both rac-s began
to re-establish and when we were able to help
them materially."
  "What do you mean?"
  "Just a few hours ago, you saw our spacecraft
stop above the planet Aremo X3 and take samples
of soil, water and air, did you not?" I nodded.
  "Then," Thao resumed, "you watched as we quite
easily annihilated a mass of giant ants as they
attacked the inhabitants of a village."
  "Indeed."
  "In that particular case, we helped those
people by intervening directly. You saw that they
were living in a semi-wild state?"
  "Yes, but what happened on that planet?"
  "Atomic -ar, my friend. Always and eternally the
same story.
  "Don't forget Michel that the Universe is a
gigantic atom and everything is affected by that.
Your body is composed of atoms. My point is, in
all galaxies, each time a planet is inhabited,
at a certain stage in its ev-lution, the atom is
discovered or rediscovered.
  "Of course, the scientists who discover it
are very soon aware that the disintegration of
the atom can be a formidable weapon, and, at one
moment or another, the leaders want to use it;
just as a child with a box of matches is driven
to set fire to a bale of straw in order to see
what will happen.
  "But, coming back to the planet Bakaratini,
150 years after the nuc-ear holocaust, we wanted
to help these people.
  "Their immediate need was food. Still they were
subsisting essentially from products of the sea,
resorting occasionally to cann-balism to satisfy
their omnivorous yearnings. They needed vegetables
and a source of meat.
  Vegetables, fruit trees, grains, animals - all
that was edible had disappeared from the planet.
  "There remained just enough inedible plants
and bushes to replenish the oxygen in the
atmosphere.
  "At the same time, an insect, resembling in
some ways your praying mantis, had survived and,
as a result of spontaneous mutation caused by
the atom-c radiation, had evolved to gigantic
proportions.(picture)
  It grew to about eight metres in height and
had become extremely dangerous to the people.
In addition, this insect, having no natural
predator, reproduced rapidly.
  "We flew over the planet locating the
whereabouts of these insects.
  This was a relatively easy task thanks to
technology that has been at our disposal since
time immemorial. When we detected the insects,
we destroyed them so that, in a short time,
we had exterminated them.
  "Next, we had to re-introduce livestock,
plants and trees on the planet according to
the species known to have adapted climatically
in specific regions before the catastrophe.
This too, was relatively easy..."
  "It must have taken years for such a task!"
  A large smile lit up Thaos face. "It took
just two days - two 21-hour days."
  Faced with my incredulity, Thao burst into
laughter. She, or he, laughed so heartily that
I joined in, still wondering however, if the
truth was being stretched somewhat.
  How could I know? What I was hearing was so
fantastic! Perhaps I was hallucinating; perhaps
I had been drugged; perhaps I would soon "wake up"
in my very own bed? "No, Michel," interrupted
Thao, reading my thoughts.
  "I wish you would stop doubting in this way.
Te-epathy itself should be enough to convince you."
  As she uttered this sentence, it struck me that,
even in the best planned hoax, it would hardly be
possible to bring together so many supernatural
elements. Thao was able to read my mind like an
open book, and proved it over and over again.
Latoli, simply by placing her hand on me, had
produced such an extraordinary feeling of
well-being, I must acknowledge the evidence. I
was well and truly experiencing an
extra-extraordinary adventure.
  "Perfect," Thao agreed aloud. "May I continue?"
  "Please do," I encouraged.
  "So, we helped these people materially; but,
as so often when we intervene, we did not allow
our presence to be known and there are several
reasons for that.

Part 1.

John Winston.