| Subject: Re: One of my favorite stories |
| From: "miso@sushi.com" <miso@sushi.com> |
| Date: 10/06/2009, 21:38 |
| Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.area51 |
On Jun 9, 11:20 pm, Desert Shadow <rch49...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jun 9, 9:56 pm, "Lumpy" <lu...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:
Desert Shadow wrote:
[Jerry Freeman Story, Papoose Lake]
It sounds legit because of a sum total of points.
1. I believe he had the desire to find the last of the artifacts. In
his world that would have been quite a feat.
2. The military had definitely pissed him off by not letting him go
in there for science. He clearly wasn't interested in military
crafts. He is a true archeologist.
3. He had the experience from past hikes. Although this would
definitely be the most difficult and dangerous.
4. Glenn Campbell met him twice and discussed the trek. It sounds
like Glenn believed him. Glenn may have his moments, but he is
without a doubt one of the best BS detectors when it comes to Area
51. This event took place during a time when Glenn was still very
much involved with Area 51.
5. The last and most important for me, I don't believe the Air Force
or Nevada Test Site officials had monitoring equipment out there where
he went. The danger of the desert is enough to deter most
individuals. It wouldn't make sense to patrol or monitor the route he
took. The environment was enough to protect the area. It would be
possible to make the trek with enough water, equipment, desire and
BALLS!
Just as a matter of investigative process, and not meaning
to rag on you, none of the above are "points".
They are all simply your desire to believe it's true.
That kind of "investigation" works well at ATS.
But "I want to believe" is not good research.
I'm not exactly sure if I believe Freeman made the trip or not.
But there are a couple of glaring inconsistancies in the journal
as he reports it.
Apparently his associates, the Spanish Trail researchers,
have some doubts about this, and other treks he has
reportedly made.
The US Natl Park Service did scientific research that
pretty clearly disproves Freeman's claim to having found
a trunk, belonging to the original 49'ers.
MY subjective view of Jerry Freeman, totally unsupported
by any facts (just as your view is), is that he was a
colorful writer and enjoyable story teller. But I have
trouble believing his stories, particularly in light of
the NPS findings.
I would certainly not classify him as "A true archaeologist".
I've seen no scientific description, research or methodology
in his writings. A true scientist, or even a non-scientist
who wished to be taken seriously, would have/could have used
some incredibly simple and obvious means (photos?) to prove
and document his research.
Ask yourself this -
Here's a guy, obsessed with the history of the 49'ers.
Embarking on a trek to the holy grail of 49'er history.
What would have been the result if he HAD found what
he was looking for? He would have had a story to tell
and nothing more. If you were looking for such telling
evidence, wouldn't it make sense to have the means to
document it if you had found it?
Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke
www.n0eq.com
I agree completely. I don't feel you are ragging at all. After I got
out of the USMC, I earned my BS degree in Criminology from California
State University, Fresno. I know all about evidence and the science
behind research. I don't approach Area 51 with my head! Just like
the Jerry Freeman Story, Area 51 is in my heart! It is the perfect
escape from the daily grind. I can lay in bed at night and think how
incredible it would be to accomplish the trek Jerry did. I can't say
with any type of real proof that Jerry did the feat nor can you
provide any type of real proof that shows he didn't. That is what
makes Area 51 and the surrounding mythology so fascinating for me. I
believe true researchers like Gary at Lazy G are great. Obviously he
can use all his research and make some real educated guesses at what
goes on at Area 51. We need individuals like that. In fact, he is
much better than some of the jerks at other websites who consider
themselves researchers. I am by no means an Alien freak or UFO nut,
but I like to read about all types of stories related to Area 51. As
long as you and I are kept out of Area 51, we can let our imaginations
run wild. I am afraid that if I ever got to see what really goes on
in Area 51, I might be disappointed. I enjoy visiting the area 4-5
times a month. I never know what I may stumble onto. I enjoy
discussing this story and others. I wish Gary would get that
discussion forum going. As far as the Jerry Freeman story I still put
a lot of weight behind what Glenn said about the story. He was there
and spoke with Jerry. As far as Jerry not having something to
document the inscription if he had found it, I remember years ago when
I first went to the restricted signs on Groom Lake Road, I was afraid
to take photos, I didn't want to be seen with and type of camera or
recorder. He may have been thinking along those lines. Maybe he felt
if he got caught, it wouldn't be so bad if he didn't have a camera or
anything like that. I don't know for sure. That was my twisted
thinking years ago. As you can see in the photo below in the link I
don't worry about that now!http://www.theparadiseranch.com/images/Icomeinpeace1.jpg
George Knapp has had the access to former base workers. He has
information he doesn't release to the public so that when someone says
they were at blah blah blah, he can verify this. Probably the same
goes for the NTS. There are people who could verify Jerry's story, but
just plain stayed out of the mess. It would be a lose lose situation
for the NTS or Groom. If Jerry penetrated the border, well, that means
people screwed up. No use admitting that. If he didn't penetrate the
border, why bother to put your organization in the news. Something
else will come along and the story leaves the news cycle.
