Re: Oct 2009 Groom Lake photographs

On Oct 15, 10:16�pm, Desert Shadow <rch49...@cox.net> wrote:

On Oct 15, 9:15�am, "m...@sushi.com" <m...@sushi.com> wrote:

On Oct 15, 12:21�am, "Lumpy" <lu...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:

m...@sushi.com wrote:

...The interesting thing about photography is when you take the
photograph, it is essentially already copyrighted. There is nothing to
file.

True with all works (in the US).
Songs, manuscripts etc are all copyrighted
the moment they are recorded/written/notated.

Filing with the LibOfCongress is a value added
move that increases the likelyhood of you prevailing
in a lawsuit, and increases the monetary reward
when you win.

But the stuff is copyrighted even without filing.
And you don't (any longer) have to affix that little
(c) or mention the copyright on the material.

Mailing the stuff to yourself is useless, proven
time and time again so. Registered copyrights
are groovy things.

Lumpy

Can you do that FM disc jockey voice?
Yes, but it doesn't translate well in ascii.www.LumpyMusic.com

I think song titles are the exception to the rule. I often wondered
what legal case lead to that exception.

Youtube is a real wild west of copyright infringement. Just try
getting anything removed from it as a private citizen. There is some
crappy video on it that takes my photos and converts them to a
sequence of images. Worse of all, the soundtrack is "Mr. Sandman."

Back to copyrights, one interesting court case had to do with
"Stanford". You would think a person's name is copyrighted, but
apparently not. You would think a university with billions in assets
could protect their name, but apparently not. Thus you can have
Stanford Towing, stuff like that. But try having Mickey Mouse Towing
or McDonalds Towing!

As you probably know, Mickey Mouse (Disney) is the source of all
copyright time extensions. Without changing laws, Mickey Mouse would
have fallen into public domain.


So, it looks like the dirt is there to block the view of the planes
(JANET) on the runway. �What do you think? �Your photo clearly shows
that they were not trying to block the door with the dirt.


Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Maybe they decided to pile the dirt
rather than offhaul it. I guess the expense of off-hauling isn't a
concern to an outfit like Groom, but it does attract attention. During
one of my NTS tours, I saw the dirt haulers around Gate 700. An awful
lot of people without security clearances can get on the NTS, so no
use attracing attention. [The truck drivers bringing supplies to Groom
Lake routinely use the Mercury Highway, then "surrender" their truck
at Gate 700 to a qualified, presumably military, truck driver to bring
the truck to the base.]

I assume the operation near Groom Lake acts like a responsible
organization ecologically speaking rather than a bunch of cowboys
after Jonathon Turley was able to get the EPA on site. So piling the
dirt in the typical 2:1 slope means the dirt is stable and occupies as
little ground as possible. It is also possible they are storing the
dirt as fill for another project. While most people think dirt is
dirt, these soils engineers have dirt down to a science and often pull
dirt from specific locations due to it having some sort of desirable
property. When they built the Keno runway, the dirt came from an area
south of the "Fox 4" gate, I have a photo of the dirt hauler on my
cedar gate page someplace.

The building towards the right with "privacy fencing" is a deliberate
slap in the face to the Tikaboo "peekers." You can see the fence was
added after the fact,

I would guess they could hide the hangar door with a fence or more
likely mesh to block our view, but it is trickier than it sounds.
Quite a few hills will have a view of that hangar door.  Photographing
the insides of a hangar isn't all that easy since the light is much
less than outdoors. Of course, opening the hangar at might really
keeps the project hidden.