Re: T.D. Barne's comments on AREA 51 book

On Jun 3, 5:33�pm, emoneyjoe <emoney...@iglou.com> wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jun 2011 23:41:32 -0700, "Craig 'Lumpy' Lemke"









<lu...@digitalcartography.com> wrote:

emoneyjoe wrote:

� � � � � �I think all the stories
of fallout over area51 somehow got
exaggerated into bomb stories.

Point, obviously, is that there weren't 100 nukes
anywhere. And zero at area 51.

Great investigative reporting.

Notwithstanding the bit about how the base, apparently
operating in 1947, received Russian juvenile spacecraft
pilots.

"Information never before made public before my book"

Lump


� � � � � It is easy to see the book author was a _little_
clueless, but I don't know what you mean by not
100 nukes.

� � � � �Are you separating the atomic from the nuclear,
wiki says there was well over 1,000 all together, but
apparently many if not most were underground (or
in the Pacific, and one or more in space).

� � � � �I visited my Aunt in North Las Vegas in 1963 and
her husband drove up the highway every morning,
I knew he was a tunnel man, and no telling which way
or how far the tunnels went or how deep they were.

� � � � �I worked in a foundry in 1954 making compressor
blades with screw thread shanks in a building payed for
by the AEC, the blades were for a rather large turbine
compressor for that era, and there was some talk of
an atomic powered airplane, but we didn't have any
blueprints or plans of the engine, just a section of
both the rotor and stator to see if the blades fit
properly.

� � � � I don't remember what year, but I new an
engineer at NASA that said he was working
running a jet engine in a wind tunnel that produced
way over 100 decibels and his ears were bothering him.

� � � � I have wondered if the compressor was for an
airplane or just an air mover for ventilating a tunnel
or building.

� � � � �The Ben Rich book says that Kelly Johnson
had a pilot look for a place to test the U-2 in 1954,
and there was nothing at the dry lake then, but
the government built a hanger and runway in
a short time to start flight testing in 1955, but
the book is so self inconsistent I have no faith
in any of the dates.

� � � � �I recently saw images of a model of the
SR-71/A-12 being tested on a radar test range
and the caption said area51 in the 1950s, but
there was no model of either until late in 1959,
and Ben Rich said Lockheed had no radar
range even by 1980.

� � � � �Either there is intentional misinformation
or really bad memory by some.

� � � � � I can document that I invented stealth
shapes in the 1975-1976 time frame and
wrote about the way to implement it in May
of 1977, but Russian engineers or mis-figured
children pilots �had nothing to do with it.

� � � � �In 1947 Russia had nothing that could have
placed any kind of craft in New Mexico airspace.

� � � � �Books are written to sell, but some authors
seem to think BS sells better than facts.


The nuclear powered plane was Project Pluto. I met a machinist who
worked on the project.

The F117A IIRC was based on Russian documents. It was in Ben Rich's
book.