Subject: Montauk.  Part 2. 
July 5, 2011.

  This talks about time travel.

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Was there any other modulation on this?

There was frequency hopping on it.

So Phoenix Two started in 1969?

Yes, in the period from 1969 to 1971. Phoenix One went from 1948 to 1968.
The first part of the mind control project was to take an individual and 
stand
them about 250 feet away from the antenna. The SAGE radar had a peak pulse
power of .5 MW. The antenna had a gain of 30db. That means an effective
radiated power of at least a gigawatt. It was nominally a gigawatt. Can you
imagine what that would do to people? I think its amazing these people are
still here. It does things like burn out brain functions, create 
neurological
damage, scar lungs from heat, etc. They tried this with a number of people
and there were few survivors.

Where did they get the volunteers for this?

They were just grabbing indigent people off the street and throwing them
in front of the radar beam. That's the sort of nonsense that the g-vernment
loves to do.

Who was in charge of the project at this time?

Dr. John Von N-umann and Jack Pruett.

Any particular agency?

I'm not sure what the agency was. Now, somebody got the brilliant idea to
put the subjects directly in line with the gain horn of the antenna. Lo and
behold they got their result without burning the people up. They found out
that by varying the phase modulation and the frequency hopping and the
pulsing of the multiple phases that they could have profound effects on a
persons mind.

How many people worked at this installation?

About 30.

Who authorized them use of the base?

The Air F-rce and the N-vy. It was a joint project. There were both Na-y
and Air Fo-ce personnel involved. We have copies of the orders for the Air
For-e personnel.

What was the cover story for the base?

They had none. It was a derelict base.

It was abandoned. It was turned over to G-A as surplus around 1969 or 1970
when they shut down all the SAGE radar systems.

It was a "non-existent" operation. it was a perfect cover.

Where did they get the funding?

It was totally private.

Corporations?

It didn't originally come from corporations, although it did in later 
phases.
The original money came from the N-zi g-vernment.

This is Phoenix One?

No, this is Phoenix Two and Three. In 1944 there was an A-erican troop
train that went through a French railroad tunnel carrying $10 billion in 
Na-i
gold which they had found. it was $10 billion at the 1944 price of $20 per
ounce. The train was blown up in the tunnel. It k-lled 51 American soldiers.
The gold turned up ten years later at Montauk. This has been verified. That
money was used to finance the project for many years as the value of gold
went up. They spent all of it and ran out of money. That's when they tapped
on I-T, who funded it. IT- was owned by K-upp in Germany. In terms of
personnel, many of the civilians and scientists there were all ex-N-zi's
who came from Germany both before and after the w-r ended. The project
was under US Gov-rnment surveillance. The intelligence community knew
what was going on and the C-A monitored everything, as did other
gove-nment intelligence agencies. The field of players who actually
operated on the base was small, between 30 and 50. The funding was
entirely private. After 1983, Senator G-ldwater found out about it and
started an investigation. He couldn't find any trace of gove-nment
funding. Pruett was the met-physical director of the project. He was
Air For-e. After he left Dr. Herman C. Un-ermann took over. They had
an electronics expert, Dr. Mathew E. Ze-rett, who came over from
Germany in 1946 with Werhner von B-aun. Probably the reason that
they ran out of money is that they had a total of 25 bases around the
Un-ted States to support. The last of the bases shut down August 12,
1983. The base at Montauk, where all the stations got their zero-time
reference from, shut down and the other two remaining bases went
down with it.

What about some of the mind effects?

From what I recall of the program, as I was part of it, I was subjected to
the mind control field not as I initially went into the program (because
they wanted me initially for my s-nsitive abilities) but later. I was 
assigned
to the indoctrination of the younger recruits. The first indoctrination
turned out to be a disaster. I told them I didn't want anything to do with
the program, and they put me in front of this mind beam, and it did do
damage to me. Finally, someone said, "shut it off, he isn't going to give
in to it" and they shut it off. Others were affected much more seriously
than I was. The effects were generally really bad. It could burn your
brains out. They would go out and pick kids between the ages of 12 and
16 off the street....

That's where a lot of disappearing American kids went?

We estimate they took 10,000 American children off the street and brought
them to Montauk, New Jersey. The total number of people that they pulled
off the streets for the 25 stations was about 250,000. What the actual
thrust of the program was in terms of all these kids is still a mystery. We
still don't know the answers. We know they were fully programmed for
something. They were subjected to programming which eventually became
more "humane" using advanced electronic techniques. The original
programming was Re-chian in nature and was more physical. Later they
worked out techniques that used computers and electronic programming
with the R-ichian techniques that took very fast and had little side 
effects.

Are you aware of any people presently who have been through this?

I've run into people over the years. There is a very specific field identity
pattern you can detect if you are sensitive enough. You can spot a
person who has been through the Montauk program "five miles away".
it's vary distinctive in the way that it's been altered. I've spotted more
than a dozen people in the Long Island, New York area.

What about Von Neu-ann?

He was still alive up until 1989. He has run into a problem with the
g-vernment as well as other problems, such as a personality split in 1977,
when he resigned as director and became a consultant. The governm-nt
told everyone he died in 1956. The gov-rnment is still interacting with him.

Were any of the Montauk subjects given psycho tropic d-ugs?

I don't think so...

They used one dr-g which was used in connection with the Rei-h
programming to make them more receptive. I don't remember the name
of it. The effect of the dru- was that it would make you "h-rny as h-ll".

Also euphoric at the same time?

Also euphoric, yes.

Did they get this mind-altering chair from the aliens?

The prototype came from the aliens. Beyond that we are uncertain. This
chair was essentially a mind amplifier. The gove-nment would have
specially trained individuals sit in the chair and generate thoughtforms,
which would be amplified and transmitted. They could transmit the signal
and put people in a pre-orga-mic state where they would be receptive
to programming. It worked very well and they found other capabilities.
They found that it could work in time. They had a psychically trained
individual sit in the chair and generate a thoughtform of a vortex that
connected 1947 and 1981. That's exactly what they got - a time tunnel
they could walk through. There was a series on television at one time
that portrayed this concept fairly accurately. These were some of the
earlier capabilities. They started going forward and backward in time. That
was the last phase of the Phoenix project.

When did this time machine get going?

Around 1979 or 1980 it was fully operational. This transmitter had enough
power to warp space and time. The individual in the chair would have to
synthesize the vortex function because they didn't have the technical
capability to do that. It can now be mechanically synthesized. They did
other things.. They had the subject in the chair think of some creature,
and the creature would materialize. They had the individual in the chair
think of all the animals at Montauk point charging into town, and that's
exactly what happened. They almost had the power to create a being.
The problem they had was that what they created only stayed as long
as the mind amplifier was on. The power was somewhere between
gigawatts and terrawatts. Tremendous power. The vortex could have a
diameter of about five miles.

Can you describe what this looked like?

Its like looking into a peculiar spiral tunnel which was lit up down its 
entire
length. You would start to walk into this thing and then suddenly you'd
be pulled down it. You didn't walk through it as such. You were more or
less propelled through it. You could go anywhere in space and time.

Could you bring things back?

Yes.

Have you ever brought anything back?

Yes.

Could you continue your description of the tunnel?

Yes. The walls were solid but fluted. The tunnel was not straight but was a
sort of corkscrew shape.

If someone turned off the power, would you be stuck in the destination
time and space?

Yes. You'd be stuck there.

Did they send a lot of kids down the tunnel'?

Yes, but we don't know what their goals were. They lost a lot of kids.

Since there is a time loop between however far you went back in the
past through however far into the future, is everything fixed?

Yes.

Part 2.

John Winston.   johfw@mlode.com