Subject: Jim Sparks, Abductee.  Part 4 of 4.                            Feb. 
22, 2012.

  This tells what the Grays look like.

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Once it's accomplished, then we can all know in this globe that there is
something we can do as a species, as a whole, all six billion of us, or
however many get involved to actually change something so extreme
as to where we are going. Which will make it easier to tackle these
other challenges. Now, as a species, when they fly by and they look
down at us, what they see is a hornet's nest. You have hornets that
live a very short life span, you've hornets that are eating and k-lling
each other. You have hornets that are fighting each other and you're
looking at hornets that cannot get their act together and never have.

B: And they don't seem to give a d-mn about the nest.

J: And they don't understand. So the hornets have to face themselves.
Not that they're not willing to aid. Remember, these people, these
beings, these things, and this is a strong point I'm making here, have
been, for tens of thousands of years, if not hundreds of thousands,
intervening in any way shape or form, to bring us to e-olving. What
has been determined, everything under the book has been tried,
under the sun, under under the stars. And we're still the same, it's
our nature. We have to do it ourselves.

B: Is the future set, or are we only talking about probabilities?

J: If you let the river run, it will run its course and it's set. You
can change the course of a river, but what I've learned over the
years is, and I've discussed this with you on the side, that I'm
learning as I go, the butterfly theory couldn't be any more the
opposite.
If you put time in a river sense, which is more ambiguous and
complex than that, but if you put it in a sense of a strong flowing
river, in order to alter a very mighty and powerful river that's
gonna run its course and you know where it's gonna go, it take
a tremendous amount of energy to make the slightest change. So
if you let the river go naturally, the flow of time will keep going.

B: Where is the river headed right now?

J: Well, it's not a straight line.

B: Okay (chuckles) - good answer. But is it heading in a general
direction? Are you optimistic?

J: I know I'm optimistic about the part as I said earlier, that a
handful relative to the population on the planet now, survive all
the upcoming environmental garbage. Only about a handful,
relatively speaking. And then past that, we ev-lve and repopulate.

Now I know the technology, and I'm not saying I claim I can
build a time machine, but I've see the technology several times,
more than once, and experienced their technology several
times, more than once, in many different ways, face to face,
of us even coming back from the future, in my face. It's
amazing how this thing has evo-ved from the horror the first
six years, and then to an interaction that's fantastic.

However, and it's the same thing: yeah, we make it, but not
all of us do before we get there. What do we want to see?
We want to see all of us, if not most of us, at least get past
that point. This is a very hard thing to do because A, it's
hard to change the river of time. It's strong, it's resilient,
it wants to snap back. Time, and time once set, wants to
stay there.. but it can be [changed]. So unfortunately, we're
on a pretty screwed up course, which is self-destruction
with our planet.

B: Have you been shown a possible future or a probable
future as some kind of a warning? It's like, you know, this is
where we're heading if we don't change this river. Have
you been shown something like this?

J: Without going into great detail... after we evol-e, I think
is where I want to go right now, which is [pause] as we
understand things now, as see things now, it's fantastic.
We can't just sit back and, say, "oh, gee, we do evolv-"
because we repopulate again, and regroup and so forth.
The push is to get us to bring most of us if not all of us
there.

B: It gets worse before it get better, and we've got to rise to
the challenge.

J: It will, oh absolutely, it will. Oh, but when it will and how it
will, it almost doesn't take much imagination. You know if
you start looking at CO2 levels, if you start seeing what
the rain for
est is...I could go on and on with the environmental
things. The way out is the fact that we have the brain power,
we have the raw resources, we have the technologies
that are hidden from us, and for very good reason, for the
most part. But from where we're at right now, these
things need to come out, and they need to come out
and change the face of the Earth as we know it.

B: What's the one message that you would like to leave viewers
with if you were in a position to say something everyone would
remember, or take note of, or act upon? (Jim laughs) What
would that be?

J: Look within yourself and really, really see where we're at.
Vision in your mind, vision in your heart, vision in your s-ul
the glow. Vision all of us on it, see us as a species -volved
and then think in your mind from where you're at now, to
where you see us e-olve with all the wonderful things that
I've just said. What steps should be taken to get us there, or
to get me there, and how can I participate in bringing us
there as a species.

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B: We have a little piece of videotape here which we recorded
just a short while ago, from somebody who obtained a model
of a Gray.
We would like to know your reactions to this. And this is
unprepared, this is live, these are your spontaneous reactions...
and just give us your response to this.

J: (Looking at laptop screen) For starters, we did have a phone
conversation speaking of the gentleman, Bill H-lden, briefly, but
in very vague detail describing a little bit about his background. I
had asked you during that conversation, which was yesterday,
what his interaction was in reality to extraterrestrials. As far as
did he see any? And things of that nature? On the phone you
mentioned to me yesterday that he was on Air F-rce One. I believe
he said he was a steward. I also believe he said that, as I remember,
that he had some interaction with P-esident K-nnedy and as
you mentioned also, that Pr-sident Ke-nedy at the time said,
admitted to him that he is aware of extraterrestrials and UFOs
and you didn't go into any detail past that.

Then you mentioned briefly that he, Mr. Ho-den, his involvement had
changed in the years: he had some sort of s-curity clearance and
that he had pictures perhaps, or he had experienced UFOs, and
the vehicles themselves, with aliens standing next to them. I
had asked you then, could he describe what they looked like, or
could you tell me what he told you? You then said to me
something to the effect of, he carries around with him a model,
a head, that he said he found at a swamp meet or something
like that, or...

B: He basically picked it up.

J: Somewhere along the line. Because it was very close to what
he saw, right?

B: Yes, there are particular features on this model that he
understands are accurate. This is his understanding. Because
of your unique experience, we'd also like to run this past you.

J: This is an honest reaction and I did see on the laptop that
particular still version. One thing, that stood out, with me,
when we were having the phone conversation, which was
what you were exactly about to say. Which was, he said it
was a very close replica, but the nose and the mouth were a
little less defined on the ET versus that model. First thing I
noticed when I sat down was this thing looks very, very
close to a species that I've seen. Very close, right up at
the face.

So my reaction to that first was there's some authenticity here.
Then as I look closer at it, and as I'm looking at it now, that's
one of the first things: the nose is not right. The nose is a
little too pronounced on this thing. And also, how defined
the mouth is. It's different. Now, something that stands out
with me when it comes to this particular species of Gray,
because it was a situation that really the face is so much...
the way the face looked is something in my mind, and
something I can't forget.

They have a leather-like texture to their faces and you can see
something akin to wrinkles, which defines one individual
from another, meaning that I've seen drone beings and
these drone beings are the short three foot ones, more or
less. Huge heads, huge giant teardrop eyes, skinny necks
and so forth. And they're worker bees and I believe them
to be half biological and half robotic. They are just to perform
tasks. Would it be artificial intelligence? I don't think so,
because of the biological aspect of it. Nonetheless, what I
would call the true species, or the true alien, are the ones
that govern, the "taskmasters". This looks like a
"taskmaster". This is what looks like what I would call a
true alien.

B: What Bill said was there was a very unusual and
pronounced musculature at the back of the head, and that
for him was something that indicated to him that whoever
it was who created the little model knew exactly what they
were doing, and either had some experience, or some very
accurate testimony to work from.

J: (pointing at the musculature on the back of the head shown on
the screen) Too pronounced... I would say that it would be... See
where it's ridged over here? What I'm seeing that's... I'm not
saying that this is not authentic, I'm just saying what I know.

B: Of course.

J: (still pointing at the back of head musculature) This part here
wouldn't be so indented, so pronounced here, but it would be
more... the contour would be more blended in. With the exception
I'm enjoying about this is that these features here, where you're
seeing these deep ridges? (still pointing to the same area) Again
the face of the particular species that I'm seeing now and
intimately have had interaction with, there's a leather-like texture
to the face. When it comes to this aspect of the head it would be
more refined ridges, a more refined line. What I'm looking at
here it comes to mind and I'm just telling you gut reaction. This
looks like a model made from one that had been d-ad.

B: Oh! Right.

J: That's just the gut reaction, and that's "hey, that's how it is".
But I'm pleased with the fact that it's not describing the typical
face that's smooth, big eyes, the small thin lips, and they all
look alike kind of thing.
What your seeing here is obviously a creature that has pronounced,
defined independent features, like me from you or you from me.
Now the face, I'm impressed with the eyes. I've always said if you
read my work, in other interviews, whenever I've given talks,
that's what I would call a true alien, when I say I just separate it
from the robotic beings. When I say true, in that species, the eyes
are not nearly as big as the giant teardrop eyes of the worker
beings, but they're certainly bigger than ours. So what I'm seeing
here in the face are the eyes are very, very good, as far as what
I've seen. The nose is not proper, and I find that fascinating again
in that he had mentioned that to you and to me. It's the same with
the mouth. Again I'm seeing a texture on the face akin to the skin,
what with the wrinkles being more refined.

B: Jim, this is absolutely fabulous. Thank you so much. You're the
definitive expert around here.

J: Oh Good! (both laughing)

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      Bill Ry-n and Kerry Cas-idy

      kerry@projectcamelot.org

      bill@projectcamelot.org

Part 4 of 4.

John Winston.   johnfw@mlode.com