Subject: More Death Valley. Part 4.
From: "John Winston" <johnfw@mlode.com>
Date: 10/04/2012, 05:28
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.area51

Subject: More Death Valley. Part 4. 
April 9, 2012.

This talks about Telos.

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Mt. Shasta has been a major site for UFO contacts for decades. Also
Indian legends - as well as stories of strange people being seen on it's
slopes - abound there. These accounts are so well-known that many
of the travel guides to the Shasta area mention the legends of the
ancient people who are said to dwell within this ancient volcanic peak.
Aside from the apparent 'Greek' connection with the under- ground
city allegedly existing beneath Mt. Shasta (that is, the name 'Telos'
itself, which is a GREEK word that literally means 'uttermost, purpose'),
Mr. Ha-ilton also states that some of the 'Telosians' claim to be
descended from ancient cultures such as the 'Quetzals' and the
'Naga-Mayas'. This seems to indicate a possible Meso-American
connection or origin of some of the alleged inhabitants of Shasta. Is
it possible that South American cultures AND Mediterranean
cultures such as the ancient Greeks 'teamed up' in their obsession to
explore the h-avens?

James C-urchward (who authored several books describing the history
of an alleged sunken island-continent which he believed existed
within the Indian Ocean and which went by the name of 'MU') has
indicated that the 'Naga-Mayas' were a human tribe tied-in with
ancient India. Whether the Telosians are descended from ancient
Mayapan, India or Greece is not clear. It is possible as we've said
that many ancient empires, such as was suggested in the Hav-musuv
account, flowed-in to each other and traded and interacted with
each other to a large degree.

Early archeologist Augustus Le Plongeon, one of the first researchers
to do an in-depth study of the Mayan Language, came under
criticism from orthodox scientists when he claimed to have broken
the Mayan language code, and learned of the close connections the
Mayas had with Egypt, India and an ancient island continent called
'MU'. Although Churchward placed MU in the Indian Ocean, Le
Plongeon placed it somewhere in the Caribbean, perhaps in the
Bermuda Triangle region - possibly mistaking it with the ante-diluvian
'Atlantis' legends.
Others however place MU or ELAM-MU off the west coast of
North America or, in fact, identify modern-day California as none
other than the ancient kingdom of MU which in ancient times was
a peninsula or large island just of the California coast, as the
Havmu-suv account seems to suggest. It is also possible that the
'MUrians' had several 'colonies' throughout the ancient world.

Zechariah Sitchin, author of many books, states that some Mayas
may originally have came from Egypt. This might be the case
when we realize the apparent similarities between the Egyptians
and Mayas as they can be seen in the Mayan and Egyptian
Pyramids, and so on. Another possibility is one suggested by
Chu-chward, that the Mayas or Naga-Mayas came from India.

However, even if they came from Egypt, a connection to India
may still exist, for the ancient Greek writer Philostratus insists
that the first Egyptians were originally navigators from INDIA!
Whether or not the Mayas were originally descended from the
Egyptians OR ancient East Indians, there is much evidence
that the Mayas WERE never- the-less a highly scientific society,
who were well advanced in medicine, astronomy, architecture
and mathematics. In fact, Charles B-erlitz (author of many books
on the Bermuda Triangle, the Philadelphia Experiment, and
other mysteries) refers to the account of a Colorado art
historian by the name of Jose Arguelles.
Arguelles claimed to have met an old Mayan 'sage' by the name
of Humbarty Men who told him that his people, the Mayas, still
exist as a civilization (underground? - Branton) and that they
have in the last millennia succeeded in 'navigating' at least
seven nearby planetary systems through advanced spacefaring
technologies.
In relation to this, a man by the name of Morris Doreal, also of
Colorado (a state which is or was believed to be the home of
an advanced subterranean human culture), runs an organization
called the 'Brotherhood of the W-ite Temple'. Doreal claims to
have visited a few of the ancient underground cities and alleges
that several 'members' of his organization are Guatemalan
Indians of Mayan descent who have told him of their own
knowledge of subterranean cities inhabited by both good and
ev-l (reptilian?) beings. It is true that there are many strange
caverns in the regions of Yucatan and Guatemala.
Eastern Guatemala has 'Silpino Cave' which has allegedly
been explored for months in the direction of ancient volcanic
cones without the daring Speleonauts' ever finding an end to
the labyrinth; while the 'Loltun Caves' of Yucatan have an
even more interesting history, being surrounded with accounts
of ancient treasure troves, endless passages, encounters
with people within it's depths who claimed to be centuries
old, and even stories of lost tribes who vanished into the
depths while fleeing their enemies, never to be seen again.

Now back to the subject of the Hav-musuvs and the mysterious
Mojave and Death Valley region.
In addition to all of the above, there is much evidence that
thousands of years ago the 'Nordic' Vikings landed on the
west coast of the Americas.
However, whether 'they' have anything at all to add to this
scenario is uncertain. The best possible source however for
the 'Hav-musuvs' and in fact the 'Telosians' themselves
seems to be the ancient Greeks AND Mayas (Greco-Mayans?),
although as we've indicated, possibly several ancient societies
may have been working together. It is said by some that the
Greeks borrowed much of their scientific thought from India
during the time of Alexander the Great, and subsequently
may have put this scientific thought into physical applications
which were in turn shared with some of the leaders of India.
As we will see later on, the ancient Greeks AND (Ar-an?) East
Indians may have been collaborating thousands of years ago
in a 'space race' which propelled these cultures outwards to
nearby star systems, possibly a millennia or more before the
appearance of C-hrist.

In 1961, SEARCH Magazine published a letter in it's October
issue, pp. 76-81, from a Gene A. Statler of (at the time) North
Street, Jackson, Missouri. Excerpts from this letter are given
here:

'Dear Mr. Palmer: A few days ago I wrote you a letter in which I
brought to your attention an item which was placed by you in
the Classified Advertisements section of the December, 1959,
issue of SEARCH MAGAZINE. In this ad, you requested any
information as to the whereabouts of L. Taylor Hansen, who
had disappeared twelve years prior to that issue, and he was
quoted as saying that he had discovered a black, polished shaft,
leading down into the earth near Death Valley.

"You will remember that I mentioned that it was strange to
have the poem, 'The Curse of Tippecanoe', listed as written
by Hansen if the author had been missing for fourteen years.
Well, my face is really red!
While looking over some of the newest SEARCH and FLYING
SAUCER magazines, i found that no less than five articles in
the past three issues of your magazines have been written by
Mr. Hansen. Therefore, I can safely assume that Mr. Hansen is
not missing! Please accept my apologies for my rash statements.
I'll try to be a little more comprehensive in my investigations
the next time I try to make an earth-shaking announcement!

"However, my one suggestion still stands. Why not inform
everyone, if you have not already done so, as to the real, whole
story behind Hansen's disappearance and his discovery? What
was his polished, black shaft?

Ray Palmer's editorial reply to Statler's letter was as follows:

"...It is true that we searched for Mr. Hansen for all those
years, and when we found him, he had this cryptic remark to
make concerning his whereabouts: 'It would be best just to
drop the subject.' However, we do have Mr. Hansen back doing
articles for us, and not only that, but we have one book
manuscript in production - one on Atlantis, and one on Lemuria.
We feel sure that these will be quite sensational, and it may
be they will answer a lot of unanswered questions concerning
Mr. Hansen and his mysterious twelve-year silence."

We have seen by the Hav-musuv and related accounts, hidden
technological societies descended from ancient Grecia or
other ancient societies, may very well have established
aerospace travel several hundred, if not a few thousand,
years ago.
Assuming this, once aerial travel was accomplished by ancient
races such as those described by Oga-Make, William
Ham-lton and others, 'space' travel would be the next logical
step. There are indications that the Hav-musuvs may have
been only one of many ancient 'Terran' groups to discover
'fr-e-energy' (electromagnetic) propulsion, and they certainly
have not been the last. The problem is, when a segment of
the human ra-e, a scientific c-bal for instance, stumbles upon
the se-ret of electromagnetic propulsion (or even atomic,
mercury, ion or tachyon energy drives - tachyons being an
actual faster-than- light particle recognized by quantum
physicists), they have a propensity to seclude themselves
from mainstream humanity. This was usually done, according
to various accounts, out of a fear that their technologies
would be stolen and used for destructive purposes. It has
only been in recent centuries that this 'techno-imperialism'
on the part of the sec-et scientific fraternities has weakened,
as the overall masses of humanity have demanded their 'share'
of the  technological 'pie', and with it they have also recieved
the darker side of   technology - machine g-ns, missiles,
at-mic we-pons - the works.

Part 4.

John Winston.    johnfw@mlode.com