Re: UFO's: Material v. Psychic/Ethereal Bullshit   
Group: alt.alien.visitors
Date: Wed, Jun 25, 2003, 9:03pm (EDT+4)
From: rdelephant@aol.com (RDElephant)

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The Air Force has consistently whitwashed UFO sightings with ridiculous
references to swamp gas and fighter jets chasing the planet Venus.

el: "This is old-as-the-hills bullshit.

<snip>And if you believe that the Majestic 12 documents are fake, just
who do you suppose created these extraordinary fakes ??

el: "If you believe that the MJ-12 docs are real, you are worse off
mentally than previously thought."

<snip>
Travis Walton, Betty and Barney Hill, Betty Andresson, just to name a
few.

el: "T.W., Hills, bullshitters.  Andreasson, we don't know what she
really experienced but it doesn't sound otherwordly."

<snip>
Work on your syntax. To what do you attribute these bloodless, surgical
mutilations?

el: "Human explanations."

Does the increased incidence of UFO sightings in the areas where
mutilations are occuring not count for something ?

el: "Not as much or as many as you would have us accept."

What about the black helicopters frequently seen in area of such
mutilations ?

el: "Come to NYC and tell me what all of those black helicopters are up
to.  So far, no mutilations in our neighborhood."

What about the the fact that many cattle were found with broken backs
and/or and legs as if they had been dropped from a height ??

el: "Human explanations."

<snip
I hope you have at least by now abandoned the early debunker theories
(back when they were mostly round), that this was somehow a natural
phenomenon.

el: "You could never find any evidence linking me to such thinking."

 I presume you must think they are all hoaxed,

el: "Every single one."

never mind the evidence that the crops in the circles are changed at a
molecular level by the application of heat that many are done in layers
that swirl in oppsoite directions at differnt levels like a braid, that
the stalks are pressed at 90 degress angles to the ground yet the plant
is somehow not harmed.

el: "You are easily duped into believing bullshit."

Then there are the strange lights, sounds and energy fields associated
with the circles.

el: "Show me the way to real evidence and not hearsay from the
fantasiers."

Do you really suppose that hoaxers around the world have some secret
fratenity with such fantastic abilities all developed for no better
purpose than a big joke on the world ?

el: "Aren't we humans something else?"

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Tell that to Grady Barnett, Mac Brazel, Maj. Jesse Marcel, James
Ragsdale, Trudy Truelove, C. Curry Holden, Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr., Maj.
Edwin Easley, Sgt. Thomas Gonzalez, Steve MacKenzie, Lt. Col. Albert L.
Duran, Master Sgt. Bill Rickett, Sgt. Melvin. E. Brown, W.O. "Pappy"
Henderson, John Krohmschroeder, Maj, Eliis Boldra, Floyd and Loretta
Proctor, William Proctor, Bill Brazel, Sallye Tadolini, Glenn Dennis,
and Brig. Gen Arthur E. Exon.

el: "Bring every one to me and I'll tell them to their face that they
are bullshitters.  But you and I know they won't come."

<snip>
Well, just for example, how about the shiny circular spots which
appeared on the car trunk of Barney and Betty Hill.

el: "How much bullshit can a person accept and still operate as if
nothing had happened?"

el: "Can't handle logical thinking, huh?"

No.

el: "I knew it!"

I did not want an "existence" debate. I wanted to go beyond the question
of whether UFO's exist to discuss their nature. That discussion is
impossible with someone who doesn't accept their existence. 
Randy 

el: "For your information, Randee, I have two solid UFO sightings to
boast about and I have posted the details many times on the newsgroups.
I'm willing to take the heat from the non-experiencers 'cause my
sightings are detailed.  So, discussion with me is the best discussion
you could have with anyone.  I just don't buy bullshit the way you do."