Kavik Kang wrote:

One in only ten years of looking, and with the very first (most

primitive)

device meant to look for it. It's also our neighbor,

90 light years ain't exactly just next door.

It is in galactic terms, it's a close neighbor.

Irrelevant. Picking and choosing the distance yardstick you use for comparison doesn't make the star any closer.

two systems with the
very thing you tried to make seem so important to the debate until shown

it

had already been found.

You seem to be reading a lot more into that press release than is
actually there.

Not really. You tried to make a big deal about how important it was that
there be a Jupiter-like planet at a certain distance for their too be a good
chance of life in a system, and someone posted a new system found nearby
that is exactly what you were talking about.

Actually it's not at all what I was talking about. If you bother to read further into the story than just the headline, you'll find that the planet is only about the same distance from its star as Mars is from the Sun. Doop! There is clearly more hype than substance to this story.

All of a sudden, it wasn't such
a big deal too you anymore.

Because of the above false advertising.

I point things like that out, that's what I do.
Are you new around here or something? :-)

No, but you clearly are.

All of a sudden it's not such a big deal anymore,
huh? And two of them in such a small area of space...

90 light years is small? Do you have any concept of how many stars
there are within 90 light years of the Sun?

Not many compared too how many are in the rest of the galaxy. Two with your
all-important Jupiter-like planet in just the right place,

Sorry, not the right place.

and that's really
with just having taken a few peeps through a straw.

I'd think anyone with
an honest, unbiased interest in the subject would take that as the first
real evidence that systems similar too ours may be somewhat common,

One does not equal common, sparky.

Two in such a small area, when it's also a sure thing we haven't checked
most of what is between, suggests it. (I feel like saying "bucko" but it's
just not me:-)

Do you have any idea how foolish you look?

rather
than using negative adjetives like "dodgy" and worry about other

people's

level of "excitement". I am still trying to figure out what "the orbital
mechanics of having a Jupiter size planet at a Mars-like distance" has

to do

with this system,

Of course you are. Like most saucer heads,

Oh, you are new around here...

Still wrong.

you are completely
ignorant of astronomy (and no doubt all other sciences too).

That's not true at all, some of your most demented debunker idols would
agree that I am an expert in the field of dishonest trickery known as
debunkery.

That's a science?

Listen up, sparky. Whining about debunkers is a sure sign that you are full of shit and have nothing of substance to say. You may as well hang a big sign around your neck that says "I'm a kook" in big red letters. People who can back up their claims and aren't just spouting nonsense have no issues with debunkers. So why do you?

Just ask them. In fact, I'm even the world's foremost Great Wall
debunker.

Yawn. Was that supposed to impress me?

I love applying your kind of "science" to all sorts of subjects.
Would you like to discuss the Great Wall?

No, that's why I am in a UFO group rather than a Great Wall group. Besides, there doesn't seem to be much to discuss about the Great Wall.

I'd think hard before I answered
if I were you:-)

Exaggerated sense of self-importance noted. Do try to get over yourself already.

What
it means is that the gravitational perturbations from such a
massive planet prevent stable orbits from existing for great
distances both inward and outward from the planet. If you were to
somehow move Jupiter into the orbit that Mars now occupies,
Earth's orbit would most likely become highly unstable. In short
order (several millions of years) Earth would either be flung into
the Sun or ejected from the solar system.

Which still doesn't explain why any of that is relevant to this system with
a Jupiter-like planet (that would be a gas giant, btw, although I am no
degree'd expert)

That much is painfully obvious.

at a Jupiter-like orbit.

The point is that it isn't in a Jupiter-like orbit. It is in a Mars-like orbit. That makes all the difference. Of course I don't expect an science challenged ignoramus like you to understand the importance of that difference and fully expect you will continue to spout idiotic drivel at me.

You were confused when you got here. HTH.

I probably was, since I was about 18 and that was almost 20 years ago.

Too bad you you haven't improved with age.

--- Flush pointless whining about debunkers ---

It wasn't pointless,

Denial noted.

but I understand your need to have pointed out that you
clipped it in this way.

Unattributed snippage is a no-no.

Like I said, this is nothing to get excited about.

Seeing a demented lunatic like you get exactly what he asks for the moment
he asks for it is always exciting too see.

When will that happen?

Get back to me
when you have Jupiter type planets at Jupiter type distances from
their stars.

Haven't you been paying attention,

More so than you, apparently.

you got that the first time you asked for
it. I think you are the one who is confused.

You should leave the thinking to those of us better equipped to do it.

Then you at least have the possibility of Earth type
planets at Earth like distances. Just a possibility though. That
doesn't mean the planets are actually there, let alone that they
have life on them.

Of course not, it mearly provides further indication that systems like ours
may not be unique.

I never said we were unique. I said we are most likely unusual. And the cited story doesn't change that.

But you aren't honestly interested in that.

I'm far more interested in honesty than you, since I am interested in accuracy. Nothing honest can be built on inaccurate data.

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