Subject: Re: More naked skepticism
From: "CIAspook" <ciaspook@charter.net>
Date: 13/07/2003, 18:58
Newsgroups: alt.alien.research,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo,uk.rec.ufo,alt.usenet.kooks

Howdy Kwang Kook.

"Kavik Kang" <Kavik_Kang@hotmail.com> wrote in
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"Michael Davis" <mdavis19@ix.netcom.com> wrote
in message

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Kavik Kang wrote:

It is in galactic terms, it's a close
neighbor.

Irrelevant. Picking and choosing the
distance yardstick you use
for comparison doesn't make the star any
closer.


It's not picking and choosing, the galaxy is
a lot bigger than 90 light
years, a lot bigger, and so 90 light years
represents a small area
within
that space.

90 light years is not a "small" space by any
human measure.
Especially not in light of the fact that no
human has ever been
more than 250,000 miles away from home, and
that even making the
4.3 light year trip to the nearest star is not
only beyond our
abilities, but may remain so forever.

You are really going to make me explain the
obvious at length, aren't you.
Ok... this tactic doesn't work long, once you
realize I am always willing to
take the time to give a 2 paragraph answer to a
3 word answer question. Here
goes, Bucko...

"The galaxy is big. It's really big. I mean, you
think it big, but it's even
bigger than that."  Oops, that's Hitchiker's
Guide, haha. Obviously, as
anyone who wasn't playing games would know by
now, I am saying that two
stars seperated by 90 light years in this galaxy
are close too each other on
that galactic scale. Everyone reading this
except you understands this
already, but let's make sure you finally have
it. In this vast area, 90
light years is a tiny little dash, a speck
really. Now, ever since you
Raving Lunatic Debunkers were forced to admit
that there were planets
outside of this solar system, this silly "the
must be a planet like Jupiter
at exactly the same distance for their too be
life". Now, I understand the
THEORY behind that, but by no means is it the
certainty you lunatics insist
that it is. So, now we have two such planets in
a very small area of space
(by comparison, the galaxy is huge) and we
really have very primitive
equipment too be even looking. We are basically
looking through a straw for
this stuff.

So what is your response to exactly what you had
been demanding being
found... This. Exactly this. We are in the midst
of it right now, is
everyone paying attention?

So do you get it now? Let's make sure. First,
'human measure" is irrelivant
and has nothing to do with the question, nor
does the distance any human has
been from Earth, nor the distance of the nearest
star, nor the fact that
there is a remote chance that we may never reach
the nearest star. You do,
however, obviously have a gift for confusing the
issue with irrelivant
nonsense, that's the second time you've done
that and we're just getting
started. All that does matter is that the galaxy
is hundreds-of-thousands of
light years across, and 90 light years isn't
much within that space. That
was the only point, and it was a simple one. The
only reason that it took
this much explination too get here is because
you are quite obviously a
Raving Lunatic Debunker and were trying too use
this point as part of your
demented little game. Can we move on now?


Sometimes debunkers have problems with the
most simple concepts.

Actually we just have problems with simple
people like you.

You have no idea how accurate that statement is.


Actually, this is what I read in his post,
clipped right from it:

"What's more, the new planet has a circular
orbit like Jupiter,
sits a Jupiter-like distance from its star,
HD70642, and has no
bigger planets between it and the star, just
like Jupiter."

That seems to say it sit's a Jupiter-like
distance from it's star, not
mars,
you know, exactly what you had been asking
for...

Ok, If you want to just keep repeating the
same erroneous claim
over and over again as if that will somehow
make it true, then you
are clearly too stupid for me to bother
wasting any more of my
time on you. Hint: Have you looked at any of
the other press
releases on this discovery? No? Thought not.
You may want to
before you further destroy whatever little
credibility you may
think you have.


Repeating what? That was the first time I
clipped that and showed it too
you. It's what we have been discussing all
along. And no, I haven't, I am
here in this newsgroup, I'm not following every
news outlet and keeping up
with every scientific jounral as your kind likes
to constantly demand.
Apparently you believe you have told me
something that you have never told
me, all you've done is rant and rave like a
lunatic so far, and pick minor
issues too turn into major ones. Nothing new,
really. And my credibility is
a little bit more well-established around here
than you imagine... I
certainly don't have to worry about an
aggressive, abusive, name calling
Raving Lunatic like you damaging it.


--- Flush remainder of clueless idiocy and
empty bluster ---

You mean clip almost everything I wrote because
you had no response.


Here's another hint son, you won't get far in
the world by denying
that the largest man-made object on Earth
exists. Buy, rent,
borrow or steal a clue.

I deny nothing, in fact, there is nobody with a
more sincere desire to find
evidence for that wall. But there hasn't been
any so far. You, apparently,
take it's existance on faith. There can be no
other explination, since you
insist it exsists and yet are unwilling to
provide any evidence for that
extraordinary claim.

Keep running, Bucko.

I have three questions:

1.  What qualities of superior knowledge do you
posses that makes you think you are an expert on
the subjects of Debunkery or for that matter the
universe?

2.  You seem to have a penchant for putting down
"debunkers".  My question is:  Why do you like
bunk?

3.  Is bunk more exciting for you than real
science and real facts?

The Real Spook