| Subject: Re: Naked skepticism or why debunkers are ALWAYS clothed! |
| From: "Robert ASF." <ra_forti@alcor.concordia.ca> |
| Date: 13/07/2003, 19:15 |
| Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo,sci.skeptic |
Richard Caldwell wrote:
Robert ASF. wrote in message ...SNIP <<<<Just Thought I Should Mention ItI agree with everything that Robert says, so no need to copy it here. I would like to add some additional comments. I see a lot of name calling on this NG. Terms like "wacko, believer, debunker, skeptibunker, skeptic, et al". Let's get one thing straight. Skeptics, like Robert and myself are not trying to prove that alien visitors do not exist. We are not trying to prove ANYTHING, since we have made no claim that requires proof. We are willing to read, listen to, and discuss any evidence that others wish to put forward. Debunkers, on the other hand, are convinced (for some reason that I don't understand) that alien visitors are absolutely not possible. Therefore, they are interested in destroying any evidence offered in favor of the ETH, as well as attempting, in many cases, to destroy the credibility of those who offer it. Believers are those who accept the ETH as fact. This is because they have seen, heard, or read evidence that convinces them, for the rational ones. There are also the irrational believers who believe in the ETH as an act of faith, which by definition requires no proof. They have their own reasons, which I will not attempt to fathom. The point is that it is NOT required that believers be apostles of the ETH. The do not need to seek converts nor convince anyone. Neither is it necessary for the debunkers to convince anyone of the opposite. All that is required is a rational discussion of the issues and evidence and the willingness to allow each other to interpret and evaluate those issues and evidence and to come to our own conclusions. If, as we all seem to agree (or protest), the ETH is not a religion, then is is not necessary to recruit converts. It is simply an interesting subject/possibility that is worthy of conjecture, IMHO. After all, true or not, the ETH forces us to look at our own culture more objectively. Richard Caldwell, aka Buckaroo Banzai
Let me add just one thought here that Ron Hill wrote a few years ago: begin insert From: rontah@enigma71.freeserve.co.uk (Ron Hill) Newsgroups: alt.paranormal.crop-circles snip I find it unfortunate that simply asking for proof to back up any statements that are offered as factual, in order that those facts can be examined, leads very rapidly to almost paranoid hysteria, as though the person's personal integrity is being brought into question. Scientific objectivity become dirty words in the process. end insert Just Thought I Should Mention It