In alt.alien.visitors Kavik Kang <Kavik_Kang@hotmail.com> wrote:

: "Pete Charest" <BigDog@SharpTeeth.com> wrote in message
: news:jheehv8h36o4tge8kcdh5dtaj42nf4ql8f@4ax.com...
:> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 12:22:57 GMT, "Kavik Kang"
:> <Kavik_Kang@hotmail.com> wrote:
:>
:> > Sagan was just wrong. There is no such thing as
:> >"extraordinary evidence" just as there is no such thing as "extraordinary
:> >proof".
:>
:>
:> Here is where the profoundly stupid Kavik KangarooFucker Kang claims
:> that Carl Sagan was just wrong.

: That's right, I do. I stand by the original statement, pasted below, too
: which this thread is primarily a response.


:> There is no such thing as "extraodrinary evidence". There is evidence and
:> there is conjecture. No claim requires a higher level of "proof" than any
:> other claim, "proof" is an absolute that is either achieved, or not,
: through
:> the accumulation of evidence. "Extraordinanry evidence" is simply an
:> unatainable goal and a debunker ploy. There is no such thing as
:> "extraordinary evidence" just as there is no such thing as "extraordinary
:> proof".

: In my opinion, Carl Sagan was wrong for the above reasons.


:> hahaha...how many critically acclaimed science-for-laymen books have
:> you authored that have been made into long-running PBS television
:> series?

: None, what relevance does it have? How many games has Carl Sagan designed? I
: bet none, does that matter? Is it your opinion that Carl Sagan was
: inffalable and could not have been wrong? You never know, he himself might
: agree with what I had written, since he was an intelligent, honest sceptic
: and a reasonable man and not an intensly biased lunatic with emotional
: problems. He may not have, but he may have, or in part while disargreeing
: with some aspect of it, we'll never know, will we? One thing I am pretty
: sure of though, is that his response would not have resembled yours in any
: way.

But since Carl Sagan believed in ET, he must be a stupid cocksucker like they
claim others to be:
http://www.caus.org/guestcomments/gc080300.shtml

quote from Sagan from the site:
"With the numbers we have discussed, it seems possible that the Earth has been 
visited by various Galactic civilizations many times (possibly 10 [every 10,000
 years], during geological time.) It is not out of the question that artifacts 
of these visits still exist--although none have been found to date--or even that
 some kind of base is maintained within the solar system to provide continuity 
for successive expeditions. Because of weathering and the possibility of 
detection and interference by the inhabitants of the Earth, it might have 
appeared preferable not to erect such a base on the Earth's surface. " 

end of quote.

Garry