Subject: Re: More naked skepticism
From: mbiggs@ihug.co.nz (Michael Biggs)
Date: 22/07/2003, 11:11
Newsgroups: alt.alien.research,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo,uk.rec.ufo,alt.usenet.kooks

"Kavik Kang the 'Skeptic'   BWAHAHAHAHA wrote

Nothing worth repeating.
Well not recently but 6 years ago he came up with a pearler.
Sorry for top posting but this is a real hoot!!!


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From: Kavik Kang (kang@dimensional.com)
Subject: Roswell Material and the Media 
 
  
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Date: 1997/07/16 
 

     Hello everyone,
     For years it has been said that once there was hard, physical
evidence
that "the whole world would be talking about it".  That it would be a
huge
story, that it wouldn't be treated like the other evidence is treated
(with
ridicule and debunker's games).  Now we know that isn't true.  On July
4th,
the announcement that there seroiusly might be that "Holy Grail" was
made.
It hasn't received any appreciable media coverage, and doesn't appear
that
it will any time soon.  When will the majority of people hear about
it?
After the evidence is stolen (like with the "Coso Artifact")? 
Although the
results of the investigation are not final, all indications are that
this
is the real deal.  There is no excuse for this to not receive
coverage.
     I have been "up to something" for the last few days, and this is
a
perfect example of...well, actually of quite a few things.  A local
radio
station here in Denver (www.thefox.com) was having a "contest" where
they
are offering $1 million dollars for proof of aliens (a peice of
wreckage or
a body part).  They had a commercial that said they would "get to the
bottom of the truth once and for all" and "provide legal defense
against
any actions against you".  I decided to contact them and let them know
about the material that Dr. VernonClark has.  The fact that I had to
tell
them about it (since nobody else seemed to know about it) after a week
of
offering $1 million says a lot, I think, not many people have heard
about
this yet.
     Now, I have to admit, I really blew it when I contacted them.  I
came
off like a stark raving lunatic partly because I was angry, and partly
because I was trying to play a stupid "AAV game" with them.  I really
regret making that mistake, and I imagine they are convinced I am just
some
nutcase even though I very quickly realized I was being stupid and
stopped.
 They have apparently blocked my access to send them E-mail or access
their
WWW page, which I can understand because my first two letters to them
left
them with a terrible impression of me.  Didn't know you could do that,
I've
never screwed up and sounded like a total lunatic before so its never
happened to me until now:-)
     Anyway, this radio station spent a week offering this $1 millon,
cracking jokes, and generally making fun of the whole subject.  I gave
them
the information, and VernonClark's E-mail address and in the end they
decided not to even mention it.  What bothers me about this is that by
offering $1 million dollars, ridiculing the subject, and then not even
mentioning that there might be real evidence when it is presented to
you,
seems dreadfully wrong too me.  It leaves the impression in everyone
that
heard it that "there can't be any evidence, they would have tried to
claim
the million".  They, unknowingly, ran an excellent "debunker's game". 
It
was the very definition of the term "useful idiot".
     In addition to this, the contest requirements are rather
questionable.
 Obviously, this was meant to be light-hearted, as most people take
the
subject that way.  However, they require a letter from the Air Force
verifying your submission.  Now, this is debunkery 101, make the
evidencial
goal unattainable.  But beyond that, the commercial offers "legal
defense"
for those who make submissions.  Legal defense against whom?  If the
Air
Force has to OK it, who is going to be causing legal trouble?  The
aliens?
     "They" (if "they" exist) couldn't have planned a better
propoganda
campaign agianst the material if they had tried.  This is one of the
better
examples of being a "useful idiot" that I have seen.  Hold a
"contest",
offer $1 million dollars, set a requirement that can't be met, and
then
heap on the ridicule.  If real evidence is presented, don't discuss
it.
The radio station honestly doesn't seem to get my point at all.  Like
I
said, I came at them like a "UFO nutcase" at first, and that was a big
mistake.  But this evidence speaks for itself.  Under the
circumstances,
they should have brought it up even if it dosn't meet the
qualifications
for their contest.  It seems the responsible thing to do, and
broadcasters,
I thought, did carry some responsibility with that role.
     I realize the results are not final, but they are enough to
warrant
mention in the media.  I can't beleive this is getting almost no
coverage
at all.  I wonder if it will get coverage when the tests are complete?
Will all the TV stations and newpapers all decide, on the same day
without
any event that might have triggered it, to all of a sudden make it one
of
the days top stories (like happened with the Arizona sightings)? 
Eventually, this story will come out if the evidence continues to hold
up,
but how long will it be?  It is certainly "newsworthy" already.  
     I don't think there is some all-powerful, dark, evil, conspircy
preventing the news from coming out.  I think each media outlet has
its own
reasons for not going with it, and as a result almost nobody uses it. 
There never has been a huge conspiricy, just an attitude of ridicule
and
derision fostered in the '50s that continues to hold up to this day. 
More
than just not mentioning the cases that really have merit, they
actively
debunk them without even realizing it like this radio station has
done.
Its been like that all along, we are "they".  The media and the people
themselves have kept the lid clamped down on this thing, and we see it
demonstrated on a regular basis.

-- "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." -- Neil Peart And then in his second post: From: Marc Michalik (kang@dimensional.com) Subject: Re: Roswell Material and the Media View this article only Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors, alt.paranet.ufo Date: 1997/07/16 Oops, forgot to change my handle when I posted. This is Marc Michalik, "Kavik Kang" is my net-handle. Sorry about that:-)
-- "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." -- Neil Peart Awwwww Kavik (or Marc), you didn't mention your consuming interest in Roswell before. It's certainly eye opening. You're a skeptic are you??? Suuuure Kavik (or Marc). I'll dissect this message in my next post but in the meantime it's worth reading in its entirety.............right Kavik (or Marc)???? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Mike