Subject: Re: Naked skepticism or why debunkers are ALWAYS clothed!
From: "Harry" <hbosch@charter.net>
Date: 22/07/2003, 19:14
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo,sci.skeptic

"Garry Bryan" <garry@soco.agilent.com> wrote in
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In alt.alien.visitors Xcott Craver
<caj@b-r-a-i-n-h-z.com> wrote:
: Kavik Kang wrote:
:>
:> You are the one re-writing it. What it says
is ""extraordinary claims
:> require extraordinary evidence", which is
incorrect. Extraordinary
:> claims require the same exact type and level
of evidence as any other
:> claim.

:        The property of extraordinary claims
requiring extraordinary
:        evidence is a natural and direct
consequence of the mathematics
:        behind Bayesian hypothesis testing.

:        You just do the math, you work out the
optimal threshold
:        for deciding between a null and
alternative hypothesis, and you
:        find that the threshold depends in part
on the relative
:        plausibility of each claim (i.e., the
estimated a priori
:        probabilities of each at the present
time.)  An extraordinary
:        claim results in a higher threshold,
requiring a lot more
:        data points in its favor, or data
points which extraordinarily
:        favor that claim over the other.  Or
both.

:        This is not an arbitrary principle some
skeptics made up, but
:        a plain English restatement of a basic
mathematical result in
:        hypothesis testing.  Yes, extraordinary
claims require
:        extraordinary evidence.  Perhaps you
can explain in further
:        detail why you have concluded the
opposite?

If you claim that there are aliens and produce
one, how is that any more
"extraordinary" than stating there are white
bears and producing one? In fact,
if the ET evidence *is* extraordinary, such as a
device the size of a cigarette
pack that produces 10 megawatts of power, it
would become it's own extrordinary
claim. . .

Garry

Go back to sleep Gareeee.  Your ignorance is
showing.  Obviously you did not learn anything
from the above.  I even doubt that you understood
any of it.

Harry