"Kavik Donkey Kong" <Kavik_Kang@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<q7PTa.119967$wk6.31478@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>...

"Michael Biggs" <mbiggs@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAH......You're dead right there kook!!  Your credibility
was established in 1997....at below zero.  You definitely don't need
to worry about anybody damaging your credibility since you yourself
kicked the shit out of it years ago but hoped everyone had forgotten
or were newbies.
Well unfortunately we found out about your credibility due to this
classic:

Marc, you're back!!!   We were getting worried you had killed yourself
while out hunting saucers with Jeb and John Boy in the Tennessee
hills.  Find any???  Thought not.  Boy, that's a relief, this
newsgroup would be so much the poorer without you, less kooks to laugh
at.
 

Sucker. Why do you think I mentioned that I had discussed UFOs in the past
and those posts were archived? I was hoping one of you fools would try and
use this tactic of digging up an ancient post in an attempt like you just
made.

Well we tried and it was a resounding success.  You claim to be a
skeptic when in fact you're not a skeptics arsehole, you're a raving
kook who believes in saucers but has zero proof or crediblity

Last time it was Sherilyn who dug up an old post about of mine
insisting that the "Face on Mars" was most likely a natural rock formation
in an attempt to label me a skeptic!

Fuck, that exclamation mark at the end is apt.  You, a skeptic???  
That Sherilyn sure is one brainless bitch!!!   Most skeptics have
something approaching logical thought, you however are a complete
penis head!!!

Unfortunately for you, my credibility in this newgroup came from the honest
skeptics. It was the support of honest skeptics that kept me in this
newsgroup when I was younger. What he has below is a post from the last time
I was here. In fact, it was the event that caused me to re-appear last time.
Some material had been found that was unexplained, and had some unusual
charactaristics too it. The honest skeptics took a wait and see attitude,

You seem to confuse honest skeptics and kooks, but then you would
kook.

 as

you would expect, but the debunkers immediately (and very hypocritcally)
immediately dissmissed it before it had even been studied! It was going to
be studied almost right away, if I remember right we only had to wait a few
months to find out the results. This had serious potential as hard evidence,
exactly what they had always demanded, and they were just giving it the
usual debunker dismissal. 

Maybe cos the debunkers had confidence that it would be proven to be
complete bullshit just like all the other complete bullshit that has
been coming from all you saucerheaded kooks.  Has it ever occurred to
you that people like Derrell Sims make a tidy profit from all you
frothing, believing kooks???    Thought not.

This post was a part of that discussion. While

this was happening a local radio station offered $1 million dollars for any
physical evidence of UFOs, and when I wrote them an e-mail about this (at
the time) brand new thing that had been found, they just had no interest. My
reply too them went a little overboard 

For you it went a little overboard.   For the rational folks at the
radio station you came across as a rabid, frothing kook. 
Hmmmm....wonder why that was??

(by my standards, it certainly didn't

approach the ravings of a lunatic debunker like Pere or even Mike) and this
post was part of a discussion about that.

Keep reading, there's more after the post...

From: Kavik Kang (kang@dimensional.com)
Subject: Roswell Material and the Media
View: Complete Thread (2 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors, alt.paranet.ufo
Date: 1997/07/16


     Hello everyone,
     For years it has been said that once there was hard, physical
evidence
that "the whole world would be talking about it".  That it would be a
huge
story, that it wouldn't be treated like the other evidence is treated
(with
ridicule and debunker's games).  Now we know that isn't true.  On July
4th,
the announcement that there seroiusly might be that "Holy Grail" was
made.
It hasn't received any appreciable media coverage, and doesn't appear
that
it will any time soon.  When will the majority of people hear about
it?
After the evidence is stolen (like with the "Coso Artifact")?
Although the
results of the investigation are not final, all indications are that
this
is the real deal.  There is no excuse for this to not receive
coverage.
     I have been "up to something" for the last few days, and this is
a
perfect example of...well, actually of quite a few things.  A local
radio
station here in Denver (www.thefox.com) was having a "contest" where
they
are offering $1 million dollars for proof of aliens (a peice of
wreckage or
a body part).  They had a commercial that said they would "get to the
bottom of the truth once and for all" and "provide legal defense
against
any actions against you".  I decided to contact them and let them know
about the material that Dr. VernonClark has.  The fact that I had to
tell
them about it (since nobody else seemed to know about it) after a week
of
offering $1 million says a lot, I think, not many people have heard
about
this yet.
     Now, I have to admit, I really blew it when I contacted them.  I
came
off like a stark raving lunatic partly because I was angry, and partly
because I was trying to play a stupid "AAV game" with them.  I really
regret making that mistake, and I imagine they are convinced I am just
some
nutcase even though I very quickly realized I was being stupid and
stopped.
 They have apparently blocked my access to send them E-mail or access
their
WWW page, which I can understand because my first two letters to them
left
them with a terrible impression of me.  Didn't know you could do that,
I've
never screwed up and sounded like a total lunatic before so its never
happened to me until now:-)
     Anyway, this radio station spent a week offering this $1 millon,
cracking jokes, and generally making fun of the whole subject.  I gave
them
the information, and VernonClark's E-mail address and in the end they
decided not to even mention it.  What bothers me about this is that by
offering $1 million dollars, ridiculing the subject, and then not even
mentioning that there might be real evidence when it is presented to
you,
seems dreadfully wrong too me.  It leaves the impression in everyone
that
heard it that "there can't be any evidence, they would have tried to
claim
the million".  They, unknowingly, ran an excellent "debunker's game".
It
was the very definition of the term "useful idiot".
     In addition to this, the contest requirements are rather
questionable.
 Obviously, this was meant to be light-hearted, as most people take
the
subject that way.  However, they require a letter from the Air Force
verifying your submission.  Now, this is debunkery 101, make the
evidencial
goal unattainable.  But beyond that, the commercial offers "legal
defense"
for those who make submissions.  Legal defense against whom?  If the
Air
Force has to OK it, who is going to be causing legal trouble?  The
aliens?
     "They" (if "they" exist) couldn't have planned a better
propoganda
campaign agianst the material if they had tried.  This is one of the
better
examples of being a "useful idiot" that I have seen.  Hold a
"contest",
offer $1 million dollars, set a requirement that can't be met, and
then
heap on the ridicule.  If real evidence is presented, don't discuss
it.
The radio station honestly doesn't seem to get my point at all.  Like
I
said, I came at them like a "UFO nutcase" at first, and that was a big
mistake.  But this evidence speaks for itself.  Under the
circumstances,
they should have brought it up even if it dosn't meet the
qualifications
for their contest.  It seems the responsible thing to do, and
broadcasters,
I thought, did carry some responsibility with that role.
     I realize the results are not final, but they are enough to
warrant
mention in the media.  I can't beleive this is getting almost no
coverage
at all.  I wonder if it will get coverage when the tests are complete?
Will all the TV stations and newpapers all decide, on the same day
without
any event that might have triggered it, to all of a sudden make it one
of
the days top stories (like happened with the Arizona sightings)?
Eventually, this story will come out if the evidence continues to hold
up,
but how long will it be?  It is certainly "newsworthy" already.
     I don't think there is some all-powerful, dark, evil, conspircy
preventing the news from coming out.  I think each media outlet has
its own
reasons for not going with it, and as a result almost nobody uses it.
There never has been a huge conspiricy, just an attitude of ridicule
and
derision fostered in the '50s that continues to hold up to this day.
More
than just not mentioning the cases that really have merit, they
actively
debunk them without even realizing it like this radio station has
done.
Its been like that all along, we are "they".  The media and the people
themselves have kept the lid clamped down on this thing, and we see it
demonstrated on a regular basis.

-- 
"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." -- Neil
Peart



Lets face it Kavik or Marc Michalik, you are a full blown, card
carrying, certified saucerhead, no two ways about it!!!

[Isn't this great stuff. As I've been saying all along, debunkery is just a
stupid little game, and he's telling you the same thing rght here. He thinks
he claiming some great victory, he thinks he's won the game. But he has a
few problems...For example, nowhere in this post, or in any post about this
subject (you can search through my posts forever, you'll see I telling you
the truth), do I claim that this material is of alien origin.

You were desperately hoping Marc, see below.

Although the results of the investigation are not final, all
indications are that this is the real deal.  There is no excuse for
this to not receive coverage.

'All indications are that this is the real deal'.........sounds like a
foaming believer to me.



 How could I? I had no idea. All we knew was that is was very unusual,
apparently very

high-tech (if I remember right, it was like 3 micron layers of bizmuth and
something else), and unidentifiable too various civilians in industries that
made similar materials who had seen it. Then, of course, there's also
nothing "kooky" here, and nothing that damages my credibility...]

So, Micheal, how exactly do you get "full blown, card carrying, certified
saucerhead" from this post, or even the thread that you got this post from?
Apparently you believe that anyone that so much as mentions any subject even
remotely related to UFOs is automatically a "full blown, card carrying,
certified saucerhead", since that is the only way that you could reach that
conclusion from this very old post that you hand-picked out of literally
hundreds. Out of all my posts, this is the best you could find in terms of
making me look like a nutcase... I'd say that this is, in fact, good
evidence of my rational and skeptical nature,

No Marc, it's a clear indication that you're kook, so just accept it.

 this being the "kookiest" post

of mine that you could find. It also shows your desperation to label me a
kook, grasping at any straw you can grab, thanks!

Some day these guys are going to realize how skeptical a person I am...

I'm skeptical of your claim, saucerhead.