In alt.alien.visitors Kavik Kang <Kavik_Kang@hotmail.com> wrote:
: "Michael Biggs" <mbiggs@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
: news:96b3cb92.0307232352.5173fb38@posting.google.com...
:> BWAHAHAHAHAHAH......You're dead right there kook!! Your credibility
:> was established in 1997....at below zero. You definitely don't need
:> to worry about anybody damaging your credibility since you yourself
:> kicked the shit out of it years ago but hoped everyone had forgotten
:> or were newbies.
:> Well unfortunately we found out about your credibility due to this
:> classic:
: Sucker. Why do you think I mentioned that I had discussed UFOs in the past
: and those posts were archived? I was hoping one of you fools would try and
: use this tactic of digging up an ancient post in an attempt like you just
: made. Last time it was Sherilyn who dug up an old post about of mine
: insisting that the "Face on Mars" was most likely a natural rock formation
: in an attempt to label me a skeptic!
: Unfortunately for you, my credibility in this newgroup came from the honest
: skeptics. It was the support of honest skeptics that kept me in this
: newsgroup when I was younger. What he has below is a post from the last time
: I was here. In fact, it was the event that caused me to re-appear last time.
: Some material had been found that was unexplained, and had some unusual
: charactaristics too it. The honest skeptics took a wait and see attitude, as
: you would expect, but the debunkers immediately (and very hypocritcally)
: immediately dissmissed it before it had even been studied! It was going to
: be studied almost right away, if I remember right we only had to wait a few
: months to find out the results. This had serious potential as hard evidence,
: exactly what they had always demanded, and they were just giving it the
: usual debunker dismissal. This post was a part of that discussion. While
: this was happening a local radio station offered $1 million dollars for any
: physical evidence of UFOs, and when I wrote them an e-mail about this (at
: the time) brand new thing that had been found, they just had no interest. My
: reply too them went a little overboard (by my standards, it certainly didn't
: approach the ravings of a lunatic debunker like Pere or even Mike) and this
: post was part of a discussion about that.
: Keep reading, there's more after the post...
:> From: Kavik Kang (kang@dimensional.com)
:> Subject: Roswell Material and the Media
:> View: Complete Thread (2 articles)
:> Original Format
:> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors, alt.paranet.ufo
:> Date: 1997/07/16
:>
:>
:> Hello everyone,
:> For years it has been said that once there was hard, physical
:> evidence
:> that "the whole world would be talking about it". That it would be a
:> huge
:> story, that it wouldn't be treated like the other evidence is treated
:> (with
:> ridicule and debunker's games). Now we know that isn't true. On July
:> 4th,
:> the announcement that there seroiusly might be that "Holy Grail" was
:> made.
:> It hasn't received any appreciable media coverage, and doesn't appear
:> that
:> it will any time soon. When will the majority of people hear about
:> it?
:> After the evidence is stolen (like with the "Coso Artifact")?
:> Although the
:> results of the investigation are not final, all indications are that
:> this
:> is the real deal. There is no excuse for this to not receive
:> coverage.
:> I have been "up to something" for the last few days, and this is
:> a
:> perfect example of...well, actually of quite a few things. A local
:> radio
:> station here in Denver (www.thefox.com) was having a "contest" where
:> they
:> are offering $1 million dollars for proof of aliens (a peice of
:> wreckage or
:> a body part). They had a commercial that said they would "get to the
:> bottom of the truth once and for all" and "provide legal defense
:> against
:> any actions against you". I decided to contact them and let them know
:> about the material that Dr. VernonClark has. The fact that I had to
:> tell
:> them about it (since nobody else seemed to know about it) after a week
:> of
:> offering $1 million says a lot, I think, not many people have heard
:> about
:> this yet.
:> Now, I have to admit, I really blew it when I contacted them. I
:> came
:> off like a stark raving lunatic partly because I was angry, and partly
:> because I was trying to play a stupid "AAV game" with them. I really
:> regret making that mistake, and I imagine they are convinced I am just
:> some
:> nutcase even though I very quickly realized I was being stupid and
:> stopped.
:> They have apparently blocked my access to send them E-mail or access
:> their
:> WWW page, which I can understand because my first two letters to them
:> left
:> them with a terrible impression of me. Didn't know you could do that,
:> I've
:> never screwed up and sounded like a total lunatic before so its never
:> happened to me until now:-)
:> Anyway, this radio station spent a week offering this $1 millon,
:> cracking jokes, and generally making fun of the whole subject. I gave
:> them
:> the information, and VernonClark's E-mail address and in the end they
:> decided not to even mention it. What bothers me about this is that by
:> offering $1 million dollars, ridiculing the subject, and then not even
:> mentioning that there might be real evidence when it is presented to
:> you,
:> seems dreadfully wrong too me. It leaves the impression in everyone
:> that
:> heard it that "there can't be any evidence, they would have tried to
:> claim
:> the million". They, unknowingly, ran an excellent "debunker's game".
:> It
:> was the very definition of the term "useful idiot".
:> In addition to this, the contest requirements are rather
:> questionable.
:> Obviously, this was meant to be light-hearted, as most people take
:> the
:> subject that way. However, they require a letter from the Air Force
:> verifying your submission. Now, this is debunkery 101, make the
:> evidencial
:> goal unattainable. But beyond that, the commercial offers "legal
:> defense"
:> for those who make submissions. Legal defense against whom? If the
:> Air
:> Force has to OK it, who is going to be causing legal trouble? The
:> aliens?
:> "They" (if "they" exist) couldn't have planned a better
:> propoganda
:> campaign agianst the material if they had tried. This is one of the
:> better
:> examples of being a "useful idiot" that I have seen. Hold a
:> "contest",
:> offer $1 million dollars, set a requirement that can't be met, and
:> then
:> heap on the ridicule. If real evidence is presented, don't discuss
:> it.
:> The radio station honestly doesn't seem to get my point at all. Like
:> I
:> said, I came at them like a "UFO nutcase" at first, and that was a big
:> mistake. But this evidence speaks for itself. Under the
:> circumstances,
:> they should have brought it up even if it dosn't meet the
:> qualifications
:> for their contest. It seems the responsible thing to do, and
:> broadcasters,
:> I thought, did carry some responsibility with that role.
:> I realize the results are not final, but they are enough to
:> warrant
:> mention in the media. I can't beleive this is getting almost no
:> coverage
:> at all. I wonder if it will get coverage when the tests are complete?
:> Will all the TV stations and newpapers all decide, on the same day
:> without
:> any event that might have triggered it, to all of a sudden make it one
:> of
:> the days top stories (like happened with the Arizona sightings)?
:> Eventually, this story will come out if the evidence continues to hold
:> up,
:> but how long will it be? It is certainly "newsworthy" already.
:> I don't think there is some all-powerful, dark, evil, conspircy
:> preventing the news from coming out. I think each media outlet has
:> its own
:> reasons for not going with it, and as a result almost nobody uses it.
:> There never has been a huge conspiricy, just an attitude of ridicule
:> and
:> derision fostered in the '50s that continues to hold up to this day.
:> More
:> than just not mentioning the cases that really have merit, they
:> actively
:> debunk them without even realizing it like this radio station has
:> done.
:> Its been like that all along, we are "they". The media and the people
:> themselves have kept the lid clamped down on this thing, and we see it
:> demonstrated on a regular basis.
:>
:> --
:> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." -- Neil
:> Peart
:>
:>
:>
:> Lets face it Kavik or Marc Michalik, you are a full blown, card
:> carrying, certified saucerhead, no two ways about it!!!
: [Isn't this great stuff. As I've been saying all along, debunkery is just a
: stupid little game, and he's telling you the same thing rght here. He thinks
: he claiming some great victory, he thinks he's won the game. But he has a
: few problems...For example, nowhere in this post, or in any post about this
: subject (you can search through my posts forever, you'll see I telling you
: the truth), do I claim that this material is of alien origin. How could I? I
: had no idea. All we knew was that is was very unusual, apparently very
: high-tech (if I remember right, it was like 3 micron layers of bizmuth and
: something else), and unidentifiable too various civilians in industries that
: made similar materials who had seen it. Then, of course, there's also
: nothing "kooky" here, and nothing that damages my credibility...]
: So, Micheal, how exactly do you get "full blown, card carrying, certified
: saucerhead" from this post, or even the thread that you got this post from?
: Apparently you believe that anyone that so much as mentions any subject even
: remotely related to UFOs is automatically a "full blown, card carrying,
: certified saucerhead", since that is the only way that you could reach that
: conclusion from this very old post that you hand-picked out of literally
: hundreds. Out of all my posts, this is the best you could find in terms of
: making me look like a nutcase... I'd say that this is, in fact, good
: evidence of my rational and skeptical nature, this being the "kookiest" post
: of mine that you could find. It also shows your desperation to label me a
: kook, grasping at any straw you can grab, thanks!
: Some day these guys are going to realize how skeptical a person I am...
It is so simple inthe debunker world, they ask for evidence and if you don't
have it you're a kook, if you point them in the direction of evidence, you're
a kook,