Can you tell us a little bit about Moon Dust and Blue Fly?

Clifford Stone:
In peacetime�I must stress peace-time because the unit did have a wartime
mission (which I will get to later on)�the mission of Project Moon Dust was the
overall field exploitation program for the location and recovery of non-U.S.
space debris that survived reentry into the earth's atmosphere. The Air Force
teams that were sent out to gather this material were known as Operation Blue
Fly. These consisted of 3- to 18man teams sent out of Fort Belvoir, Virginia,
where the Air Force unit that dealt with this investigation was located at the
time.

The other item of interest that both these missions were tied to was objects of
unknown origin. This becomes key when you realize that it was not until the
Soviet launch of Sputnik I on October 4, 1957, that we would have space debris
up there belonging to anyone, yet we have documentation showing that Moon Dust
and Blue Fly existed at least as early as January 1950. What was going on at
that time with Moon Dust and Blue Fly?

Now, we have a hint at what was happening. In documents we have thus far
recovered from the archives and other government agencies, we find that, in
January of 1953, the United States Air Force had a newly formed intelligence
unit known as the 4602nd Air Intelligence Service Squadron. It had no peacetime
mission; it had only a wartime mission. I now know that in Europe, during the
same time frame, the 5008th Air Intelligence Service Squadron came into
existence. Once again, there was no peacetime mission; outside of training, this
unit had no mission at all. The Director of Air Intelligence suggested that
Project Blue Book needed assistance in doing investigations, primarily because
Blue Book did not have funding for investigations of reports of unidentified
flying objects. This resulted in these two units being assigned the
investigation of UFOs in their respective areas�the 4602nd in the continental
United States, the 5008th in Europe.

Each base had a Project Blue Book officer as an additional duty to handle the
cases. Air Force Regulation 200-2, of August 26, 1953, made it clear that these
officers were to do nothing more than a preliminary investigation and report to
the representative of either the 4602nd, if it was stateside, or the 5008th
overseas (which was handled by another regulation, by the way). These
intelligence units then would decide whether or not the report was worthy of
further investigation. If something was deemed worthy, they would do the
coordination, sometimes even contacting the witnesses directly without
identifying themselves as part of this intelligence unit.

Once they completed their reports, they forwarded them to Wright-Patterson in
accordance with regulations.  Everyone thought, "Well, that meant Blue Book."
This was incorrect. Blue Book had four Project Moon Dust monitoring officers.
They had also four Project Blue Fly monitoring officers. They had a dedicated
military air transport service known as the 64th Mass Heavy Squadron that would
assist in the retrieval of any type of debris. The regulations at that time made
it clear�internal memos made it clear� that every effort would be made to
collect debris of unidentified flying objects. One of those is known as
Intelligence Collection General Letter Number 4. To date, the Air Force
considers that particular regulation, of 1961 vintage and later, to be
classified�not releasable.

CF: So we couldn't get this through the Freedom of Information Act?

CS: No, but the Air Force made a mistake. An early rendition of that form
existing in�I believe it is February 16, 1949� does exist. The FBI had a copy of
it. Recently, I obtained a copy of that from the FBI. Presently, I have pending
with the Air Force Intelligence agencies an appeal action requesting the release
of this documentation. They have told two offices of United States Senators,
Senator Bingaman's office and Senator Domenici's office, that these missions
never existed. We showed that they did, then they came back and stated, "Oh,
those missions." They gave the wartime mission. And we're not looking at the
wartime mission; we're looking at the peacetime mission. That can't be stressed
enough. Furthermore, after they got painted into a corner, they came back and
said, "Oh, all of that documentation was destroyed." By virtue of, in the past
five years, filing 100 or more FOIA requests directly related to Moon Dust and
Blue Fly with the Air Force, we have 10 or 15 documents that clearly show the
Air Force has documentation that was not destroyed They have at least five
documents that probably are classified at a top-secret level. In 1991, the State
Department sent them 11 documents, and their response was, "We neither deny nor
confirm the existence or nonexistence of this documentation. Any other response
would clearly affect national security." Now, that response right there can only
be used if it meets specific criteria, as set forth by Executive Order 12356
Section 3.4-F1. That section states that, when the mere existence or
nonexistence of information is, within itself, classifiable by this executive
order or a predecessor executive order, then an agency may state that they may
neither deny nor confirm the existence or nonexistence of that material. That is
the only time it can be used. So here you have criteria set forth by an order
that was signed by a President of the United States. They are using it, and in
the same breath they state that UFOs do not constitute a threat to national
security. You cannot have it both ways. So we know they have documentation.

December 13, 1994, was the last appeal I put before the Air Force. The Air Force
has looked at it. I know they have sent it to their General Counsel; the General
Counsel sent it back to the legal office, and I'm sure they are trying to look,
at this time, for a legal means not to release that. And now the bombshell of
why they don't want to release it to me. By virtue of working "unofficially
officially" on their pet project, from the Army's side, I know of these
missions. I know these missions were used to gather information on unidentified
flying objects�objects that I cannot come out and tell you they came from outer
space, but I can tell you they represent a technology thousands of years ahead
of our current technology�that the technology is so alien to us that when people
say "back engineering," we cannot do it, even with our ability and understanding
on how to put, shall I say, jigsaw puzzles together�this is like no jigsaw
puzzle we have ever come across.

So we have this going on. The Air Force knows by now that I had inside
information on Moon Dust and Blue Fly, and that they involved the recovery of
objects of non-earthly origin. They are trying to look for a legal means to deny
me that information. We did a 171-page report. We provided that to 27 members of
Congress before we ran out of money to make more copies. [We] asked that they
hold a congressional inquiry into the Air Force's activities on Moon Dust and
Blue Fly. I personally know that if we go after Moon Dust and Blue Fly and get a
congressional hearing into what the Air Force knows and what the other
governmental agencies� including NASA� know, it will open the door to what is
known as the Blue Room. The Blue Room will tie directly into the National
Security Agency and several other agencies. The one of primary interest would be
the National Reconnaissance Organization. We would immediately have access to
viable data on objects of non-earthly origin, and we would also know a whole lot
more about what the U.S. government really knows about unidentified flying
objects.