FORMER NATO STAFFER ROBERT DEAN SPEAKS OUT ON UFOS Says Human Race Is At A
Crucial Moment In History 

Randy Koppang: Having a "Cosmic Top Secret "clearance in NATO, how do you feel
we can reconcile the intelligence community's exclusive "need to know" with the
public's right to share in that transcendental knowledge? 

Robert Dean: You've got another thing to consider here. You talk about the
intelligence community. It isn't a solid bloc. The "intel" agencies feed on each
other continually. The big fuss is turf and money. They are always vying for
more power and more money. There has been a difference of opinion within the
intel communities for at least the last 25 years on this subject. 
Should we let it out? Should the American people be told the truth, yes or no?
This has gone back and forth heatedly within the communities themselves. CIA
fusses with NSA [National Security Agency], NSA fusses with DIA [Defense
Intelligence Agency]; it's turf, it's money and it's power. 

At the moment, the decision has still been, to my knowledge, "No, we can't let
them know." There are indications that maybe, at some level, a policy decision
has been to slowly, gently, in a non-threatening way let some of this reality
out -- these leaked documents, the fact that some big mouth like me is violating
his oath and getting away with it. I've thrown the gauntlet down and demanded
they come and sue me, take my pension away, put me in Fort Leavenworth, and they
haven't. I said, "Look guys, if you do, I can subpoena witnesses, I can subpoena
documents that I happen to know exist. We'll have a helluva nice case. We'll
make a real donnybrook out of this. 

Well, I'm still getting away with what I'm doing. How effective I am, I don't
know. There does seem to be a gentle trickle of classified info, either being
leaked or allowed to be talked about, indicating to me that somebody wants it
done.

Koppang: For many reasons, technological and perceptual, a "global mind change"
is occurring. One of the major reasons for this is a perceived crisis of
constitutionality (hiding covert programs lacking congressional oversight). Some
of these programs have involved researching and/or refusing to publicly share
evidence of a possible ET presence. Was the "Assessment" the ultimate E.T.
research project?

Dean: I would not like to think the "Assessment," a three-year study, reflected
the very finest piece of work that could be done of that subject. 
I hope that in our own government, at certain levels, much more thorough
research programs have been conducted. I learned, after leaving SHAPE/NATO in
1967, that the conclusions of the "Assessment" had been known essentially as
early as 1948 or 1949 by our government, at least by the Air Force, after the
crash at Roswell [New Mexico]. And Roswell was the TIP OF AN ICEBERG. I know of
at least a dozen crash retrievals involving bodies and survivors besides
Roswell.

Our government knew in 1949 essentially the same thing that SHAPE published in
1964, but they kept it at the highest-level classification, didn't share it with
anybody, didn't share it with our NATO allies. That's why the Air Marshall and
General Lymon Lemnitzer had to conduct the "Assessment" in house, from 1961 to
1964. They could get nothing from London and Washington on the subject. We knew
some of these things that early! 

I hope a thorough evaluation of [the E.T. presence] has been done and will be
shared with the American people by their government. I've talked to people on
the inside who say amazing studies have been conducted not only in laboratories,
not only in research, not only in hard science, but amazing things have been
learned psychologically about the human condition, the human potential... The
UFO matter is simply the tiny, tiny tip of an iceberg which is so enormous that
when the truth comes out, its going to change the whole world.

A lot of government scientists and a number of government and military planners
know these things. That's why many of them say, "Hell, no, we're never going to
let that out. The 'people' will never be prepared for that." 

Roughly 12 years ago -- and I've heard from a number of independent sources --
they did indeed pulled off a sustained, controlled fusion reaction at Los
Alamos, using lasers. In itself, this little piece of scientific knowledge can
blow the world up in terms of global economics. Fusion means endless cheap
power. Think what it could do to the oil companies, auto industry, steel
industry and world economy!

Now, I'm making a point here: I understand why that kind of knowledge must be
released carefully, shared carefully, or the whole damn house of cards is going
to fall around us. We could have massive world economic collapse, starvation,
riots, blood in the streets, etc. 

So I understand something that sensitive won't be released tomorrow. It's going
to be released gently and carefully through the process of technology, probably
over the next 30 to 50 years.

Koppang: How about the implication of E.T. craft maneuverability, what some
refer to as "free energy," a self-contained gravitational field propulsion
system, powered by some unlimited energy source? 

Robert Dean: There's a lot more to it. First of all, there was a crash at
Kingman, Arizona in about 1972, where we retrieved some bodies and hardware. 
The hardware was in pretty good shape. Do you know what the biggest damn secret
of all was? They could not find a propulsion system in that ship! 
They could not find a motor. What made it fly; what caused it to crash; how was
it propelled; how was it controlled? To my knowledge, they never did find out.

Koppang: At the end of World War II, America entered an ahistorical era in which
our previous historical landmarks, war for instance, no longer dictated the
national will. Without a national will of distinct purpose, the government runs
free towards imperialistic profiteering. As a result, authority loses its
grounding, leaving the national will in a stagnant limbo. 
The Apollo moon program and exploration of space should have filled this need,
but they are going nowhere. The budgetary crisis is grounding them. 
Comments?

Robert Dean: That's why we are reaching this crucial moment in "history," I
suspect. This may be a given in the universe, on hundreds of thousands of
worlds, where intelligent species reach this crucial moment, as we have reached
it.

We've got thermonuclear weapons, biological weapons, particle-beam weapons,
psychotronic weapons. We can't continue to live the way we have any longer. 
Now, if we don't make this adjustment, this coming to terms with who we are, why
we're here, how we came to be here and where we're supposedly going, then we're
going down into the abyss. It'll be the end of this species. It'll be one little
footnote in the great galactic book: "Well, those people on the third planet in
the little system didn't make it. They self-destructed." I think that's probably
happened thousands and thousands of times. 

I believe we're at that point where we either have to make it and get off the
planet, go out and take our place in space with other intelligence out there, or
we're going to self-destruct. And those intelligences out there are not about to
let us come "out there" with our war-making baggage. They're going to keep us
quarantined here until we self-destruct, or until we do come to terms with this
new reality, this paradigm shift, as painful as it's going to be. And with hope,
we'll step out into that vast community. 

To me it's clear as it can be, but I don't know how to get this info out to the
masses of people. A few others in this effort and I are trying as best we can,
in our limited way, to do it. But we're at a crucial moment in our history as a
species and as a race.