| Subject: Re: Davis, Garvin, Sir Horry and othes vs. Russian Gov't! |
| From: nyceddie@webtv.net (E. L.) |
| Date: 22/09/2003, 18:17 |
| Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.alien.research,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.ufo.reports |
Now do I get the carrot?
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Re: Davis, Garvin, Sir Hillary and othes vs. Russian Gov't!
Group: alt.alien.visitors
Date: Sun, Sep 21, 2003, 9:44pm (EDT+4)
From: mdavis19@ix.netcom.com (Michael Davis)
Ed "Mr. Ed" Lopez drooled:
Rense.com
That was your first mistake. Nothing on Rense's site is to be believed.
Russian Government & Current UFO Activity An Interview with Valery
Uvarov By Graham Birdsall
Valery Uvarov is a liar. He has no official affiliation with the Russian
National Academy. He is just another UFO con artist who preys on
gullible Western saucer heads who don't bother to check his credentials.
HTH.
Bad horse, no carrot for you.
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One of the speakers at Laughlin was a Russian called Valery Uvarov who
has been a full-time Ufologist since 1989. He has been involved in
various organisations devoted to the study of anomalous phenomena, and
says that he heads 'The Department for Investigation of Extraterrestrial
Civilisation under the Russian Academy of Sciences' (See Donald Ware's
review of the 2003 Laughlin Conference ). Ware notes that Uvarov
became the head of the Department of UFO Research, Paleosciences and
Paleotechnology for the 'National Security Academy' of Russia in
2002. This sounds like quite a prestigious post, offering Uvarov much
credibility among Ufologists in the West. The organisation is based
in St Petersberg in Russia, but when one of my correspondents tried to
reach Valery Uvarov there he was told that they had never heard of him,
but that Uvarov might work for their Moscow office. Well, not
according to Uvarov, himself anyway.
So although I have no doubt that Valery Uvarov is a Ufologist, I find
that I am unable to verify that he is a bona fide scientist working for
a major Russian scientific establishment. He claims that the Academy
is an official Russian government agency, and his superiors are
answerable to President Putin himself. This is important because
Uvarov has some pretty incredible things to say. For starters, he
stunned Graham 'Dubya' Birdsall by making off-the-cuff references to
Nazis in Antarctica (See 'Secrets of Antarctica' pp4-8 UFO Mag Apr
2003). Birdsall interviewed Uvarov at Laughlin (See 'The Installation',
pp60-1, UFO Mag Apr 2003) and quizzed Uvarov about his belief in an
'Installation' in Siberia that 'shot down' the Tunguska meteor of
1908. This interview has since appeared in Nexus magazine (Nexus
June-July, pp59-60) and will be followed up in the next issue with more
information.
Surely this is not orthodox Russian scientific opinion? Uvarov ofered
no proof to substantiate his wild claims; no satellite imagery of the
alleged site, no published or unpublished scientific reports...
nothing. Instead he claimed to have visited the extremely remote
location, even by Russian standards, twice. The fact that he seems to
be getting taken very seriously is because of his claimed
qualifications, and position within the Russian academic community.