Hello, you bring up some good points about what and how debunkers think (I
don't like to think of myself as a debunker or a disbeliever, but neither am
I particularly a believer).  When you speak of people requiring proof, the
proof they are talking about usually means something that can be held in the
hand and science could unquestionably call "alien".  There are many reasons
that pictures, video, and people's testimony are not considered proof.  Take
dragons, for instance, for centuries both science and religions accepted
them as fact.  People came with stories about slaying them and almost every
culture had their own take on what a dragon was.  It was accepted, sight
unseen, that dragons existed.  Some people believe that fossils of dinosaurs
led to the stories of dragons, however, since there is no way to prove that,
I accept that as hearsay as well.  Eventually scientific minds knew that the
only way to verify information was to test it, feel it, and see it.  This
did lead to mistakes that were later rectified.  Scientists for years
thought stories about falling rocks was nonsense, then they were able to
verify, test, and see, using telescopes and other scientific methods of
testing data that proved the meteor's existence.  This vindicated the
stories that people told.  While it made the scientists look foolish, I
believe the scientists did the correct thing.  They waited until verifiable
proof came along before acknowledging the existence of something they did
not understand.  UFO's are much the same.


"Sir Arthur C. B. E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in
message news:Gsfeb.22428$cJ5.2917@www.newsranger.com...

Usenet UFO "Debunkers" Are Really UFO "Believers"
Author: xxx@xxx.tttt

Debunkers are an odd lot, they yammer for proof but never tell anyone what

proof

is acceptable to them.  They ignore the facts, and resort to attacking the
messenger of the facts.  We have thousands of clear photographs, thousands

upon

thousands of eyewitness testimony, and even the US government has giving
testimony for alien visitation.  Heck, even the French, English, Japanese

and a

whole flock of other nations have given depositions and evidence, yet

still the

Usenet debunkers claim otherwise.

These Usenet debunkers are really not debunkers, they are really believers

who

have a vested interest in chasing away any interest in the subject and
surrounding it with derision and ridiculel and their only weapon is

personal

attack and mockery.  It is obvious these pseudo-debunkers are using every

trick

in the book to dissuade others from accepting the evidence as evidence.

Their

motivation is their financial greed and religious beliefs.

ahgnis@yahoo.com (Ahgnis) added:
Date: 27 Aug 2002 15:31:20 -0700

You are correct in your statement that the debunkers on this NG are not

real

debunkers, since they display very limited scientific knowledge. They have

no

interest in reasonable discussions of the topic, so therefore many of them

could

be UFO believers. Their only interest is to attack and ridicule all

posters that

disagree with them. This is a bullying tactic and detracts from free flow

of

information required in an open society. Many people do not post because

of

these jerks. The debunkers ignore that the opponent they face across the
computer screen is a live human with human feelings.  The opponent has

become an

enemy to be destroyed, damn the consequences.

Ahgnis