In article <9s1pnv8h432ord4i7icgjla37t99tsl6s3@4ax.com>, David Patrick says...

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 02:37:55 GMT, Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers
A.S.A. <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:

Brian Zeiler, You're Doing A Great Service/ UFO Debunkers in Massive Retreat.

First you say the debunkers are winning and then you say they're in
massive retreat.

Yes, our side IS winning and some of the proof is
that you have left the Usenet.  Freedom and democracy
are making a comeback, BIG TIME!

Also, this is PROOF POSITIVE that Phase One of Operation:
Infinite Destroy Debunkers (OIDD) is a 100% success!!

Pretty soon we will have the names of ALL debunkers,
so-called skeptics and their friends, supporters, sympathizers,
friends of..., guerillas and rebels.  Then we can move onto
Phase TWO!!!

Pretty soon when the debunkers are eliminated,
we can sit back and have a laugh at how 
horrible their time was here on Earth.
And that day is coming soon, very soon,
God willing!!

Brian Zeiler, You're Doing A Great Service/ UFO Debunkers in Massive Retreat.

Brian Zeiler, You're Doing A Great Service/ UFO Debunkers in Retreat.

Brian,  Let me extend a hearty thank-you from myself and from all the honest 
UFO researchers in your efforts to document and illuminate the well 
proven facts.   The UFO community would also like to extend our 
gratitude for the work you have done in bringing new ideas and solid 
information to light.  We are in your debt.   Also, I would like to 
encourage you to keep up your investigations, for they are highly 
educational and written in a scholarly manner. 

Please don't be put off by those luckless charlatans posing as UFO debunkers. 
At best, we can say these impostors are ignorant dupes and fools, 
"useless idiots" if you will, at worst, they are intelligence community, 
low-level assets who can't make it in the real world.  
It is a pity they spend so much effort in the distortion and 
vandalism of good science.  May history view them in higher regard than I do, 
they'll need it.

From time to time, it is important for all of us to let you know the 
outstanding contributions you are making in the field and what a delight and 
inspiration it is to have you around.  With your valuable assistance, 
I'm sure "our" side will win.  The truth always does!

Again, let me declare your efforts were remarkable in digging up the 
Ames and Sandia connections.  That was impressive, and, of course, 
highly indicative of the lengths 'they' are going to in trying to  control and 
cover-up the ET/Alien information.  Bravo!

BRIAN ZEILER RESPONDS:


Brian Zeiler <bdzeiler@anet-chi.com> wrote on Oct. 19, 1996:
Art Wholeflaffer wrote:

Brian,  Let me extend a hearty thank-you from myself and from all the honest
UFO researchers in your efforts to document and illuminate the well
proven facts.

You're welcome, and thank you.  And let's also not forget that I am too prone to
getting suckered into flame wars with the self-styled "skeptics", and this noise
tends to overshadow the very high quality posts from David Rudiak, J. Walter,
Bill Peterson, and a few others whose contributions are appreciated.

Please don't be put off by those luckless charlatans posing as UFO debunkers.
At best, we can say these impostors are ignorant dupes and fools,
useless "idiots" if you will, at worst, they are intelligence community,
low-level assets who can't make it in the real world.

Sadly, the vast majority appear to be all too sincere.  Rogers, Fun, McKnight
(where's he been?), etc., are nothing more than typical dime-a-dozen skeptics
who
lease their opinions from their masters and overlords at CSICOP in a rather
repugnant display of intellectual incompetence and lack of capacity for
independent reasoning.  Of course, that's due in no small part to the
intellectual prostitution of Menzel and Sagan and other opinion leaders who
duped
generations of scientists into absorbing a culture of UFO ridicule and rejection
with absolutely no logical basis whatsoever -- nothing but silly debunkeries
that
invariably collapse under scrutiny along with an idiot mantra about
"extraordinariness" which presumes the inductive powers of probability
estimation
in the midst of insufficient data.

It's absolutely staggering to see scientific leadership deteriorate to such a
level of stagnancy and ambivalence in research effort, coupled with a total lack
of exposure to the evidence *and* a blinding, foaming, raging need to disbelieve
and debunk with the urgent zeal of a fanatical religious nut.  That's the
scientific treatment of the UFO evidence, all spawned by their blind devotion to
their overlords and masters like Sagan and Menzel.  Truly unbelievable.

It is a pity they spend so much effort in the
distortion and vandalism of good science.  May history view
them in higher regard than I do, they'll need it.

History will view them as fools -- relentless defenders of dogma, blind fools
who
crippled scientific progress in the name of, ironically, "science", which they
fallaciously equate with skepticism, their need-to-disbelieve religion.  History
will show that they undermined that which they sought to defend -- good science.

It's truly sad to see human progress and potential reflected so feebly and
pathetically in the scientific community's willful blindness to this discovery,
especially in this age of such revolutionary technological progress.  The
failure
of science in this aspect -- arguably the biggest aspect, the greatest
discovery of all time -- will long be remembered as the pox on a century
otherwise full of conquest and glory, the grandest 100 years of science that
ever
happened.

The US government will release the goods, but probably not for a long time.
When
they do, the world will instantly view the "UFO skeptics" as a group of
irrational zealots who, rather unfortunately, happened to be in positions of
public influence.

In the meantime, all we can do is observe the UFO skeptics and, with a necessary
sense of humor that enables us to laugh raucously at their silly logic, watch
them struggle to deny, disbelieve, and debunk.  Hey, that'll be the three D's of
modern science's treatment of the UFO evidence...

--
Brian Zeiler