Subject: Re: 10 Undeniable and Provable FACTS about Extraterrestrials Abductions of Humans
From: Sir Artio
Date: 29/10/2003, 05:44
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.alien.research,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.paranet.abduct

In article <ae12811f.0310270712.12a2ecee@posting.google.com>, eNinBe says...

Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message news:<fd3nb.25482$cJ5.4139@www.newsranger.com>...
Karla Turner's 10 Facts in Respect to Alien Abductions:

1) We don't know with any certainty  exactly what these entities may be;  they
may be extraterrestrial, inter-dimensional, earthly or some combination of the
above.

2) At least some of the aliens lie. [Predictions, warnings, promises, and
contradictions.]

3)  During encounters, the human's perceptions are controlled as are the
conscious memories of the encounters.

4) False memories can overlay and disguise the actual events of an encounter.

5) Abductees report alien controlled information to the  research community.
While reporting their experiences honestly and sincerely, abductees are really
reporting alien-controlled data.

6)  There is a serious element of human involvement in the abduction phenomenon,
in addition to the very real alien participation.  Many abductees are monitored
and harassed by human agents of some sort and the cases involving phone and mail
interference, helicopter surveillance are only part of the story.

7)  The abduction agenda involves quite physical aims and procedures that belie
the idea of a primary spiritual motivation on the aliens part, as well as
refuting the notion that all they're doing in their agenda is crossbreeding.
There are physical procedures and aims that have nothing to do with
reproduction.  These include: various types of implants in parts of the body;
insertion of wires and tubes into the chest, kidneys, wrist and knees; brain
operations, deliberate pain experiments (ouch!); abductees immersed in water,
forced ingestion eating or drinking of unknown fluids, cloning of humans et.al. 

8) The agenda involves long-term mental and psychological programming of the
abductee, it targets among other concepts: our social and personal
relationships, our sexuality, our political ideas, and our religious and
spiritual concerns.  These are targets of programming that begin in almost every
instance, with the abductee in early childhood.

9) Aliens through technology create virtual reality scenarios that are
absolutely real to the perceptions of the targeted person.  All five senses are
involved.

10) The aliens show an extraordinary interest in human souls and in using those
souls.  [Soul recycling centers, black boxes, etc.]

Conclusions:   Why are they here?  Who in  truth are these beings? What
technology do they posses that allows them to implant, to control, to clone, to
harvest energy and physical material from us?  What does the government know
about this agenda?  What is their part in the intimidation, harassment, and even
abduction of abductees?  This is the focus of where we must concentrate research
efforts, in spite of our wishes, in spite of our fears.  I do not believe that
there is any room for fantasy in our thinking.  Not with the potential
consequences of this presence.
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Re: 10 Facts Regarding alien abductions//Karla Turner
"Frank W. Zammetti" <fzammett@fpsserv.com> wrote on 7/5/1997

I echo your thoughts completely.  It is unfortunate in the extreme to
realize that your words will fall on completely deaf ears.  You'll
probably get flamed at some point, a few people will try to refute what
you've said, even though you are 100% correct.

I've always said that no matter what abductions and UFOs are, whether
aliens, time travelers or government black projects, that almost doesn't
matter, we still need to have an answer.  What if abductions are the
result of some toxic chemical infesting the world's water supplies?
It's possible to some degree, at it's just as important a revelation as
if there are creatures from another planet trying to use us for genetic
experiments, or whether it's Satan and his minions preparing for a war
to end all wars for the eternal damnation or salvation of all the souls
of humanity?  Whatever the answer, we need to forge ahead and do serious
research to discover the answer, not be guided by our emotions and
baseless beliefs.

It is sad that too many people just go to one extreme or the other:
99% of people I would guess either believe everything they read or
nothing at all that they read.  They are guided by some "gut" feeling
that what they believe is correct, although it's based on nothing.

How many people believe in God?  What proof do they have?  How much
proof do we have of UFOs and aliens?  We have absolutely NO proof that
God exists, none whatsoever, no matter how weak.  We do however have
evidence that aliens and UFOs exist, although admittedly it's very weak
and circumstantial and very non-specific evidence at best.  But it's
still something to examine, something to research.  Why is it then that
so many people can blindly accept the existence of God but will fight
with you tooth and nail to the bitter end that aliens cannot possibly
exist, that UFOs are hallucinations, that abductions are just dreams?  I
can't fathom that at all.

Keep up your intelligent writing, perhaps it will make a difference
some day.  For now though, you'll meet a very few people who treat you
with respect and logic in their replies, as I try to do, and for now,
these are the people who represent a glimmer of hope within a vast sea
of stupidity, blind faith and lack of thought.  Take care!

Frank W. Zammetti

Art Wholeflaffer Responds:

Thank you for your compliment and insights Mr. Zammeti.  I totally agree with
your assessment in that we are forced to use good science to explain this
phenomenon.  Fortunately or unfortunately, when all the evidence is added up,
the only logical conclusion is that there are and have been extraterrestrials
visiting this planet for many millennium, if not longer.  It is readily
conceivable that certain ET groups, some that may not even exist any longer, may
have traveled here billions of years ago, since Earth is approximately 4.55
billion years old 

When the hard sciences are used to analyze animal mutilations, human abductions,
crop-circles and crop-pictographs, human implants, trace-cases, super-sonic
craft that can stop motionless and then tear off at thousands of miles per hour,
in addition to numerous other bizarre anomalies, the only theory possible that
can explain this phenomenon is conclusively off-world life-forms, known as
aliens.

When the true history of the Military/Pentagon, Intelligence Agencies, Defense
Contractors  and UFO-Debunkers are studied and critiqued, these conclusions
become absolute.  There has been and still is an on-going UFO cover-up at the
highest levels of one of the most important issues in the history of the human
race.  But instead of liberating alien technology for all mankind to use, such
as free-energy devices and anti-gravity units;
Northrup-Grumman-Lockheed-Martin-Raytheon-Boeing-McDonnell have decided to use
this technology to make weapons of mass destruction and mass control.  The
potential to have transformed this planet and its people into a unified race for
the benefit of all has sadly passed.  What is coming up is almost too horrible
to contemplate, but contemplate it we must.  David Jacob's recent book titled,
"The Threat" is just the tip of iceberg, and that is far from encouraging.  Why
humans insist of remaining ignorant of these irrefutable facts is tragic and
extremely unfortunate; only this time ignorance will not be blissful!

Had these alien-technologies been emancipated for all Mankind to use peacefully,
the deadly petro-chemical and nuclear industrials could have shut down very
rapidly.  Instead, these deadly industries are leading us to complete
environmental destruction.  Global warming, ozone depletion, deforestation,
dying oceans, nuclear wastes and other environmental problems are all Global
realties, which are getting much worse instead of better.  The rate of species
loss now is too high to even calculate.

The evidence suggests that the various ET races who are in contact with humans
won't shed a bitter tear when the elimination of mankind is completed, and
truthfully, neither will most human beings.  Because of our numerous genetic
flaws, the human race was most likely created to see if we could rise above our
own internal weaknesses and learn to cooperate with each other.  Obviously, the
worst aspects of our behavior have won out.  

Although the vast majority of Humanity are decent hard-working and
family-oriented people, the Controllers of our Industries and Militaries are
psychopaths that WANT to see mankind destroyed.  These criminal sadistic
greed-heads have put their insatiable needs to acquire trillions of dollars and
enormous power over the welfare of the rest of mankind.   These sick and twisted
individuals most likely will succeed in getting theirs and ours death-wish.
Apparently our only hope is with the alien-human hybrids that the Greys are
going to re-populate our planet with, perhaps very soon.  Let us pray that they
will be more benevolent than we were.  Life as we know it, I can assure you,
will never be the same. This planet is too important for other ET-races to allow
us to continue to obliterate it.  The Universe itself is theoretically close to
21 trillion years old, if not vastly older, and how much longer it will keep
going remains a total mystery. 

Another factor we must consider and perhaps exploit is the tension between
various ET races.  Although if we throw in our lot with the Orion Group, we may
get what we deserve.  We must choose wisely which races we are going to deal
with.  It is of utmost important that the National Security Agency and the other
Intel. Agencies come clean and let the world know, for better or worse, about
every Extraterrestrial race they are in contact with.  Although the probability
is extremely good that even the NSA/CIA/NASA faction themselves have been
compromised.  If that happens to be the case-"we the people" are truly on our
own.  Turn off the television, it is the greatest mind-control
subliminal programming device ever made.  Do your own research and get the
information now.

When the Extraterrestrial evidence is eventually made public, the World will be
able as a group, to move forward into the future with a real vision of hope,
decency and integrity.  Let that be our goal and not accept anything less.
- - - - 
Flagship1 of the Paranormal <paranormal@flagship1.com>

"Sire Arthur C. B. E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A. (Anti-Debunker Democracy Unit)"
wrote:

Karla Turner's 10 Facts in Respect to Alien Abductions:

1) We don't know with any certainty  exactly what these entities may be;  they
may be extraterrestrial, inter-dimensional, earthly or some combination of the
above.

There are many possibilities in relation to where each of the reported
alien races originate from. I good reference that people can make use of
is at the following link.

http://www.spiritweb.com/Spirit/alien-cultures.html

2) At least some of the aliens lie. [Predictions, warnings, promises, and
contradictions.]

It depends on what variety they are. Those of the service-to-self variety
tend to have their interests invested in themselves rather then with the
abductee. Those of the service-to-others variety tend to have their interests
in both themselves as well as the abductee. Most of the abductees seem
to describe alien beings as being of the service-to-others variety. It
seems that those of the service-to-self are slowly losing their connections
with humans due to their poor relationships with them.

3)  During encounters, the human's perceptions are controlled as are the
conscious memories of the encounters.

Not really. They seem to make a telepathic connection by way of stimulating
the optic nerve as well as a few others. It has been reported that aliens
simply make eye to eye contact and then various electromagnetic emissions
stimulate the optic nerve of humans. This is what creates the visual.
Portions of the brain used for processing stimuli are also stimulated
which helps the aliens to alter the psychology of abductees. For example
they can stimulate love-like feelings. This technology has yet to be
explored by science.

4) False memories can overlay and disguise the actual events of an encounter.

I agree with Karla here. Sometimes memory of the abduction is completely
washed from the abductee to which the abductee only witnesses what is
known as "missing time". Its as if they were never even abducted. However,
there have been a number of cases where people recall what has happened
during those periods while undergoing a special form of hypnosis.

5) Abductees report alien controlled information to the  research community.
While reporting their experiences honestly and sincerely, abductees are really
reporting alien-controlled data.

In a number of cases, I agree. There have been a number of people who
report stories that the extraterrestrials have talked about the nature
of Earthside society and what improvements can be made to better
our way on Earth. There are many various cases here that are of great
interest to me. I am building up a collection of them to write on.

6)  There is a serious element of human involvement in the abduction phenomenon,
in addition to the very real alien participation.  Many abductees are monitored
and harassed by human agents of some sort and the cases involving phone and mail
interference, helicopter surveillance are only part of the story.

Many people can be monitored without even knowing about it. If this
is really happening, the number of reports to this regard are limited.
Various people have really close connections with extraterrestrials, even
closer then 99% of the people who reported being abducted. Others may
have connections psychically without ever haveing a *physical* abduction.
It is those select few that are really keyed in on what the alien agenda
truly is, and are given parameters when to discuss or release various
tidbits of information to the media. Of course the time has yet to come
for them to speak out.

7)  The abduction agenda involves quite physical aims and procedures that belie
the idea of a primary spiritual motivation on the aliens part, as well as
refuting the notion that all they're doing in their agenda is crossbreeding.
There are physical procedures and aims that have nothing to do with
reproduction.  These include: various types of implants in parts of the body;
insertion of wires and tubes into the chest, kidneys, wrist and knees; brain
operations, deliberate pain experiments (ouch!); abductees immersed in water,
forced ingestion eating or drinking of unknown fluids, cloning of humans et.al.

This has been reported in a number of abductions. However, not all abduction
experiences have been reported to be physical in nature. People have also
reported having out of body experiences and spiritual visitations.

8) The agenda involves long-term mental and psychological programming of the
abductee, it targets among other concepts: our social and personal
relationships, our sexuality, our political ideas, and our religious and
spiritual concerns.  These are targets of programming that begin in almost every
instance, with the abductee in early childhood.

I agree with this 100%.

9) Aliens through technology create virtual reality scenarios that are
absolutely real to the perceptions of the targeted person.  All five senses are
involved.

This is where it gets really interesting. The technology they use goes
well beyond human comprehension. Its not just the technology, its what
they know about us. They even know extensively how the brain and nervous
system works and delivers information throughout the body. This is how they
are able to use various energies that resonate with and also impede our
brain impulses. This is how people report being in a paralyzed like state
during abductions. The same result can be produced by common science when
electrocuting somebody. When being electrocuted, a person is paralyzed
until the current is shut off or they are dead. The extraterrestrials have
such an understanding of this that they can do it without any pain or
after effects. The abductee walks away as though nothing even happened.
There is much more to how this process works that I will not go into
here, however this is the basics of what seems to be done.

10) The aliens show an extraordinary interest in human souls and in using those
souls.  [Soul recycling centers, black boxes, etc.]

Yes they do. This has been known for quite some time as well.

When the Extraterrestrial evidence is eventually made public, the World will be
able as a group, to move forward into the future with a real vision of hope,
decency and integrity.  Let that be our goal and not accept anything less.

Most of the information is already in the public know. Other bits of
information are relayed by the aliens themselves to the public. This
is what makes this whole thing interesting.

Whenever aliens get brought up, there are always questions. Personally
I beleive we have a simple answer. We cant have an answer. Such things
are beyond our understanding. I think Zammetti is right about the
whole god thing. So manmy people beleive in this omnipotent and all
powerful being, yet what proof do we have of such a beings existence.
There is more truth and proof of an alien existence that a being such
as god. UFO's appear in art and drawings and culture that predate
jesus. But like i started by saying, we can't know. it is beyond our
understanding. How could you desribe our technology to someone that
existed 500 years ago? You couldn't. It would be beyond their
understanding.

That is a great analysis.  Thanks, I appreciate it,
and of course, the debunkers hate intelligent responses
like that.  They are too busy worrying about relations
with animals (Chumpest), whore houses (U Bob),
tabloids (Sludge/Sage), anal-sex (Wider-Sham)
and nonsense (Patty Patrick).  It is a shame to
see how LOW the debunkers have fallen too, but
this WAS predicted and it has come true.
Still sad though :<