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Your name is still on the TRUTH-TERRORIST
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Camps (and Spas)! I can only do so much,
but unless you confess to your sins, there
is absolutely nothing I can do. Even Chump-Pest
is turning against you, another small victory
for Operation: Infinite Destroy Debunkers (OIDD)!
We will smoke out your cult from the caves,
and we will demolish each and every debunker
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all set to destroy it FROM WITHIN!! But there are still
a few honest researchers, real patriots and decent
folks that will stand up for TRUTH, DEMOCRACY AND
Justice for all (except debunkers!) Let us pray and
work for our side to win, or else it's Armageddon,
which is Latin for Debunkers!!
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TOP REMOTE VIEWER SAYS HE KNOWS UFOs ARE REAL
Abduction May Be Communication Across Space-Time
Joseph McMoneagle is one of the world's most renowned and respected remote
viewers. Author of "Mind Trek" (1993; revised 1997), "The Ultimate Machine"
(1998) and the forthcoming "Remote Viewing Secrets: A Handbook" (Feb 2000),
McMoneagle is the only RVer to participate in the entire duration of the
Army's secret STARGATE Project (over 18 years) and has successfully
demonstrated remote viewing on national television. The following text is
based on a lecture he gave at the Project Awareness Conference in Clearwater,
Florida, on November 14.
BACKGROUND ON REMOTE VIEWING
Remote viewing started with Project Scanate in 1972, a CIA-funded research
project at SRI International in Palo Alto, California. The two main viewers
were Pat Price and Ingo Swann. Price died of heart attack in 1975; Ingo Swann
retired from SRI in 1986.
They established that it was possible not only to penetrate Russian files and
locations but also the CIA files and locations. Under Project Peanut, they
actually targeted an underground nuclear facility in the northern part of the
Soviet Union. It took about four years to verify that all the information
they provided was correct, down to the fact that their drawings were accurate
to within inches.
An article on Scanate was published in 1975 in the journal of IEEE which
caught the attention of Army Intelligence. The result was what became known
as Project STARGATE. However, it originally had a number of other names,
including Grill Flame, Gondola Wish and Center Lane.
Joseph McMoneagle's personal history of paranormal activity began with a near
death experience (NDE) in Austria in 1970. "Up to that point I was known as
being pretty intuitive, but I would have called it gut responses, not
psychic. The NDE was my first introduction to the paranormal. Back in 1970,
you couldn't talk about it or they'd send you over to the hospital to get
checked out by the psychiatrists. In fact, they did put me in the hospital
for two weeks to make sure I wasn't suffering some irreparable cellular
damage after my NDE."
GRILL FLAME, as the Army's remote viewing project was originally called,
began in October 1978. "They interviewed some 3,000 people and winnowed it
down to a final six" -- including McMoneagle. "We were sent out and tested at
SRI International. As a result, I became RVer 001.
"Of the original six, there are two survivors, myself and a Lt. Colonel who
currently lives in Florida, whose name I can't share. The rest are dead from
heart attacks or other things." Asked if he sees a significant correlation
between remote viewing and death from heart attack, he said he believes that
the criteria for selecting top remote viewers also happens to select for
"triple-A personalities," among which he includes himself. McMoneagle added
that he has had several heart attacks and heart surgery.
McMoneagle went to work for the Cognitive Sciences Lab at SRI in 1984 after
retiring from the military. This kept him in the Stargate Program, which
moved in 1986 to SAIC, Science Applications International Corporation, where
it continued until the end of the project in November 1995. However, remote
viewing research is still ongoing at the Cognitive Sciences Laboratory of
Fundamental Research in Palo Alto. McMoneagle is still a research associate
there, as well as co-owner of Intuitive Intelligence Inc, formed in 1984. One
of his main activities is locating and screening potentially talented remote
viewers.
"One of the mythologies about remote viewing is that anyone can do it and it
can be taught," he says. "The fact is, every human being that's ever walked
into the lab and been tested has shown some propensity for remote viewing. So
we know that it's a sense, like our other senses, and we all possess it. The
problem deals in the veracity of it, the degree of ability that someone
displays. We look at it as a natural talent, sort of like pitching in
baseball.... In the lab, we've discovered that about one half of one percent
of any randomly chosen group of people will be world-class remote viewers."
In 1995, Congress requested a formal review of STARGATE and the CIA hired the
American Institutes for Research (AIR) to do the study. As a result, STARGATE
was formally terminated. McMoneagle sees several reasons for this, none
having to do with the efficacy of remote viewing.
"They were supposed to do a full assessment of the intelligence gathering
utility from 1977 to the present. There's 121 boxes of operational files, and
they were supposed to hire people to review those in detail. They had from
June to September of 1995 to do that -- not enough time to go through three
of those boxes. So it was intended, I think, from the beginning to fail," he
said.
Reflecting on the termination of STARGATE, McMoneagle says that there were
many political objections to the use of remote viewers. "We were somebody
that nobody wanted to be caught dead standing next to." There were also
serious managerial problems, especially in the last two or three years of the
project. "Many of the managers were afraid of the paranormal or didn't know
anything about it."
The AIR investigators were biased, he said. In a previous study of remote
viewing in the 1980s, the two lead investigators did not have security
clearances for the RV project, so the RVers were instructed not to cooperate
with the study. Consequently, the investigators wrote a very negative report.
Those same investigators headed the AIR study.
According to McMoneagle, "Only about two boxes of material were reviewed, and
that was sanitized beforehand," because again the investigators did not have
sufficient clearances to see most of the raw operational data.
There were three committees overseeing the STARGATE project during its 18
year history. Of the 26 people on those committees, none were considered
believers in the paranormal, but they continuously approved the extension of
the project based solely on operational performance. Of those 26 people, the
AIR investigators talked to only one. AIR also totally ignored the list of
end users of STARGATE, which "reads like a list of Who's Who in Washington."
They disregarded the end users to avoid potential political embarrassments.
Despite a woefully inadequate study, AIR did find that "a statistically
significant laboratory effect had been demonstrated." That is, RV works.
However, AIR said that "in no case had the anomalous cognition information
been used to guide intelligence operations." This, according to McMoneagle,
was absurdly untrue.
Despite the fact that remote viewing definitely works, after more than 25
years of reearch, "we don't have a clue as to how it works." But some things
are known, including:
1) There is no way to shield against a remote viewer. "I've never seen a
remote viewer successfully shielded from anything."
2) A remote viewer can be distracted from a target, or a target can be
temporarily masked. "For example, if the RVer is looking at an [underground]
launch facility for an ICBM, that's pretty hard to hide. But you could hang
party balloons inside and play rock music, so the RVer thinks a party is
going on and this can't be a rocket tube."
3) Remote viewing is a natural ability, with varying degrees of ability in
different people. The ability generally cannot be improved.
4) Remote viewing is not affected by distance, time or space.
5) Remote viewing is not good for locating things. People who are good at
locating things (for example, lost or stolen objects) are using other
methodologies besides RV.
6) Accuracy is always measured in the lab. Outside the lab, conditions are
uncontrolled and accuracy cannot be measured. No one is ever 100 percent
accurate. But good remote viewers routinely produce very detailed and
valuable information about targets.
McMONEAGLE'S UFO EXPERIENCES
McMoneagle was stationed in Eleuthera in the Bahamas in 1966 when he had his
first UFO experience. He and his partner, both members of an air-sea rescue
team, were walking back to their quarters just after midnight.
"We were on some sand dunes. And the whole place lit up like high noon.
Directly overhead, about 1,000 feet over our heads, was a 300-foot disc. It
was actually obloid, not perfectly spherical, and it had bumps and indents on
the bottom. You could see panel lines and opaque windows, though you couldn't
see anything moving around inside. It really lit the place up. We had to
squint to look at it. And it was totally soundless -- in fact, it wiped out
all other sounds. You couldn't hear the surf crashing on the beach or
anything.
"The sighting lasted about 30 seconds, at which point the UFO shot off into
the distance. At least that was our perception. Now that I look back on it,
it may not have shot off anywhere. It may actually have collapsed upon itself
and just disappeared from our time-space. It's hard to tell which when you're
experiencing it.
"The end result of this was that my partner and I discussed it, and since we
liked being in Eleuthera in the Bahamas in 1966, we decided not to tell
anybody. But we had a major problem the next morning. We both woke up and
were violently ill
We had terrible sunburns. My friend actually spent two
weeks in the hospital in Homestead Air Force Base and suffers the scars from
those burns today. You can actually see the outline of his shirt on his skin
still. I had the logo of my T-shirt embossed on my chest. We were both
treated for severe radiation burns.
"I determined at that time that UFOs are real. There's not a doubt about it.
Back in 1966, my head filled immediately with all the implications of that.
Aliens exist, flying around out there, and probably come from some other
star. But I'm not so sure of that now."
McMoneagle's second UFO-related event was very different and had numerous
paranormal elements, including a spontaneous out of body experience (OBE)
during a remote viewing session. As usual under such circumstances, both he
and his monitor, a psychologist, were blind to the intended target.
"All I could get was a picture of a black background with dancing lights,"
McMoneagle says. "He [the monitor] said no, there has to be something more.
So I kept trying, but all I could get was dancing lights. So I laid back on
the couch, thinking that if I could refocus and get centered, maybe I could
get more information. I instantly had a spontaneous OBE. I found myself
standing in a white cube. That had never happened before. I was totally
out-of-body in this white cube, and I started looking for a window or door or
some point of ingress-egress but couldn't find one.
"While I was doing that, my father 'beamed in' -- like on Star Trek --
materialized in front of me and pointed his finger and said, 'Go home. You
don't belong here.' That was very interesting, because my father had been
dead three years by then. And he had never spoken to me that way. So I just
said, 'Nice try, whoever you are, but this isn't going to work.' And he
beamed out.
"I started thinking, 'I don't belong here. I want to go back to my body.'
Normally, when you do that, you're instantly back in your body and awake. But
that didn't happen. I started to panic.... Then I had the feeling that
somebody reached down inside of my being and 'strummed a nerve' deep inside
of me, which created a violent sick reaction. And I sat bolt upright in my
body on the couch and collided faces with the psychologist, who was leaning
over me and yelling in my face, because I had been catatonic for about 12
minutes.
"I finally explained to him what I went through. He said, 'This is out of
control. I don't know what's going on here.' So we stopped and turned all the
material in, at which time they told us what the actual target was. It was a
UFO sighting outside of Tacoma, Washington, that had been witnessed by about
2,000 people. What was reported was that a bunch of cars pulled off the road
and watched dancing lights on the horizon. Here's the most interesting part.
It was in 1952. So I was targeted in time to 1952."
On a third occasion, McMoneagle says he inadvertently witnessed a UFO during
an operational remote viewing session for the military. "I was actually
describing a target on the ground in a foreign country, doing very well at
it. At some point I said, 'I have a perception that something just crossed my
field of view very quickly.'
"What I didn't know at the time was that there was a man monitoring through a
one-way glass, and he knew that they had what was called a 'fast mover' in
the area, and it was collecting its own stuff. So he said, 'Gee, it would be
very interesting if he could describe in great accuracy our faster mover,
since nobody knows what that is.' So he sent a message in by note concerning
the thing that had just crossed my field of view. I said it was kind of an
oval shape, about 150 feet across, doing about 4,000 miles per hour, and it
just did a perfect 90 degree left turn. There was this silence. The guy got
up and walked out of the room. And [my monitor] said, 'Going back to what you
were describing on the ground... ' So I thought nothing of it. I thought they
just don't want to know about this. We finished the targeting and I forgot
all about it.
"About a month later, I got a call to come over to the Pentagon. I went over
there and they took me into a little room. They unrolled this photograph and
said, 'Is this what you saw a month ago?' There was a picture of this nice
looking oval. It turns out that their fast mover took a picture of that fast
mover. I said, 'Yes.' And they said, 'That's a hot air balloon. It's been
flattened by the jet stream.' I said OK; and that's the last I saw of that
picture."
McMONEAGLE'S REFLECTIONS ON UFO CONTACT
"Maybe we shouldn't assume what they are," he says. "I'm really serious. I've
done a lot of thinking about this, based on a lot of remote viewings I can't
talk about, where I've been specifically targeted on UFOs.
"It's an assumption to jump to the idea that they may be aliens. It's
possible that what UFOs are is time machines from our past or our future...
They could also be projections from another dimension -- interdimensional
travelers. We probably should not jump to what we might call obvious
conclusions.
"One of the things I would suggest is that what's going on is a form of
communication. I've learned from remote viewing that RV transcends space and
time. Time has no material effect on it, nor does distance -- which
essentially means that RV is a time machine for information. If that's true,
then one of the ways that you could move instantaneously from star to star
would be in an informational way. That doesn't sound very important until you
start thinking about thought having an electromagnetic effect on living
beings. Thought could be controlling DNA sequences instantaneously from star
to star. That might very well have to do with why we're all sitting here
conscious and awake and aware, and why we should presume that there are
probably other beings awake and aware in other places.
"[UFO contact] has clearly been going on for thousands of years. What got me
interested in the amount of time this stuff has been going on are the
abduction cases. When I started looking at abduction cases, it became very
apparent to me that these were real and they were happening. People were
having these experiences and it was terrifying them or having profound
effects on them, emotionally and psychologically.
"One of the things I learned about the paranormal, especially in doing remote
viewing, is that if you have an experience so profound that it changes your
theological or philosophical belief, you've just been hit by a Mack truck.
Nobody can tell you that's an illusion. One of the things that scientists
would have us do is separate our spiritual nature from our biological nature;
and religious leaders would also have us separate our spiritual nature from
our biological nature. I think that was sort of a peace deal, or peace plan,
made back at the end of the 1500s -- "We'll stop burning people at the stake
if you'll stop playing in our back yard." So we split human nature down the
center and said these are two apparently different areas, and it's OK to
think scientifically as long as you don't drag religion into it, and vice
versa. When in fact our very nature dictates that we have both essences
contained within us. If we don't come to some cohesive answer, we're just
wasting our time.
"There's clear evidence of abductions, going back thousands of years. They
call them devils and angels and other things, but it's clear that abductions
have been going on. I don't think it's happening physically, but in a
paranormal way. In other words, people who are experiencing abduction in an
out-of-body sense don't know they're out of body. People who've had a lucid
dream know what I'm talking about. It is so real that you can't tell the
difference between reality and the lucid state. So, to be abducted in the
out-of-body state, you might just as well have been taken physically.
"Why would somebody take someone in the out-of-body state? It may be a form
of communication that we just don't understand. What we're doing is
remystifying it in some way, attaching some significant thing to it that
makes it palatable to us. What we should be saying is, 'What's the real
communication here?'
"[Abduction] does transcend time and space, which means it's instantaneous.
There's no barrier to prevent someone on one star from communicating with
someone on another star.
"In order to travel from star to star, you have to transcend space-time. In
other words, we're never going to go to another star in a rocket ship. We're
probably going to go in a time machine, however. The basis of star-to-star,
interstellar travel is the time machine." McMoneagle says that a recent
conversation with a NASA scientist convinced him that NASA is starting to
look at time travel as a means of space travel, and that probably means
they're also taking an increasing interest in UFOs.
McMoneagle concluded by briefly describing one of the most remarkable
discoveries so far made about remote viewing. Careful research shows that
local sidereal time greatly affects remote viewing accuracy, he says.
Sidereal time has to do with the apparent motion of stars across the sky as
the earth turns on its axis.
"We took all the remote viewings from 31 studies and put them across a
sidereal time scale. We found a huge peak of accuracy for remote viewing at
13.5 hours sidereal. What's going on here? We discovered that the peak
corresponds with the position of the earth in the northern hemisphere when
you're least looking at the Milky Way, or the core of the galaxy. In other
words, when the Milky Way is below your horizon, you get a peak of accuracy.
The valleys [lowest RV accuracy] correspond with when the Milky Way is right
in your face, which indicates that there might be something going on in terms
of 'cosmic noise' or 'space jamming,' so to speak. It may be that that cosmic
noise is carrying information that affects us genetically. It may also be
that there are better times for communicating than not.
"What I'm currently doing is looking for any information on UFO activity,
including sightings or abductions or anything else, where you can show the
exact time and place of the sighting. I want to match that with local
sidereal time data. I think we might find that there are a lot more
abductions taking place during the peaks versus the lulls. If that's true,
then abduction might be a communications effort."