Reply to article by: Garry Bryan <garry@soco.agilent.com>
Date written: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:49:43 +0000 (UTC)
MsgID:<1069091383.347599@cswreg.cos.agilent.com>

:>Is there any evidence of life out there to listen for?

:Not anymore evidence to look for than the story about life out there trying to
:visit us in here.

There is far more observational data that apparently solid craft under 
intelligent control performing beyond or current capabilities are operating
in our atmosphere then ET radio from the stars

There is absolutely no data of that sort, all there are is reports made in the
complete absence of actual evidence...and reports do not prove the existence of
the thing reported.

...why do you think we have the whole UFO phenomenon?

The same reason we have any other passing fad: mob mentality.

Or are you just profoundly stupid?

Nope...how about yourself?

:>Dr. Sagan points out that as he grew up and learned "how science works--the
:>secrets of its great success," he became skeptical of UFO reports.  He decided
:>that "Essentially all UFO cases were anecdotes," just stories, by people "who
:>reported what they saw."

:Unless there is more to the UFO reports than just stories, such as some actual
:physical evidence on display somewhere, Carl is completely correct.

There is plenty of physical evidence, it is just not unambiguous...

If it is ambigious than it isn't physical, it is make believe.

:>It was at this time that I became skeptical of the skeptics.

:That is called the logical fallacy of polarizing the issue. You are boxing
:everyone up into neat little boxes, with one box labeled 'believers' and the
:other box labeled 'skeptics'...and then assuming beforehand that anyone in the
:skeptic box is one of the 'bad guys'. Instead of boxing up facts, you box up
:irrational predjudices. It doesn't matter what other people say or do, what
:matters are, what are the facts. Whether believers or skeptics, if either one
:has the facts, you should be listening for those facts, not pre-judging them on
:whether they are worthy of listening to in your predjudiced opinion.

Nice statement, people on both sides of the UFO phenomenon could take advice

>from them. . .

Amen.

The Sage

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