In article <enalrv8i9qg2q0emjedr6hak8vjono5id3@4ax.com>, David Patrick says...

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 23:23:19 GMT, Sir Artio <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:

In article <qvlkrvkfv4kaj0lm0vkolskrgj4buvvbpg@4ax.com>, David Patrick says...

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:15:59 GMT, Sir Arthur CBE Wholeflaffers ASA and
VAT <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:

Let's make this simple for you, Flaffer. Have you ever done any
research yourself into any UFO case?

Yes, you ARE a very simple person.  But no,
the scientific study of the Extraterrestrial presence
requires more than a simple debunker mind.

Well, at least you managed to answer my question, even though I
clearly didn't make it simple enough for you. We all know you're a
debunker and, by your own admission, you're not up to conducting
research.

Patty, let me make this perfectly clear:
Please leave the Usenet and turn over
a complete list of ALL members
of you Cult of Useful Idiots, NOW!!!!

You're not classified for that information. I'll instruct General
Killemall to bring you in for an indoctrination session.

Isn't this typical, another debunker steals my material!!
That's okay Patty, I've heard you haven't been too
well since your most recent "accident."  Perhaps you
need to retire, you are obviously a very delusional
and most likely paranoid, most debunkers are!!

Argentian Abduction

Source: Samzidat Newletter; Winter "97" http://www.inexplicata.com

Abductions Here and Now by Guillermo Aldunati -- ORTK Argentina

"It is ORTK Argentina's contention that abduction or kidnapping cases
caused by alleged alien entities are occurring more and more
frequently over these past four years, and the formation of cycles or
waves in which this kind of activity takes place in particular areas
and regions of the country are not chosen at random. An intelligence is
almost certainly behind those events through which it studies,
analizes and chooses percipients."

"In an earlier issue of our newsletter, we made reference to the
interesting abduction-teleportation case which occured in Chipoleti,
a part of the country which has become a "critical hotspot" for this
kind of phenomena. Similar events continue to occur to this very day."

"What is going on in our city? Although the news is not wide-spread and we
therefore have little understanding about what happens around us.
Sometimes even a brief mention of the subject becomes the spark that
ignites people into discussing their own experiences or those of
neighbors or relatives...this happens not only in the U.S.A., but
also here, in our own city of Rosario and at this very same moment."

"Thanks to the contributions made by other outside research groups,
who have been applying alternative viewpoints in the study of this
phenomenon, the emergence of "abductions" in places where a high level
of ELF radiation can be found, as well as FM radio waves, has also
been studied."

"Has the reader ever wondered about the number of FM radio stations in
Rosario? Why do these cases occur where radio station antennae form a
perfect triangle? Coincidence? Happenstance?"

"The abduction phenomenon must not be seen exclusively from the ETH
standpoint, nor the shamanic perspective, nor from the so-called
"rational ufology" view. There are other perfectly well-defined
aspects which constitute a broad spectrum meriting appropriate
analysis and study. We can suggest a cartload of theories or
possibilities, but none of them will be the definitve truth."

"We will move on to discussing a few cases which have recently
occurred in Rosario:"

"Case 1: A young woman whom we shall call Alicia was traveling in a
bus on the 131 route, comfortably seated and listening to music from
an FM station on her Walkman�. It was around 21:30 hrs. and there
were few passengers on the bus. At that moment, the station's musical
programming changed suddenly: rather than soft instrumental music, a
sort of choral music performed in a foreign language made itself
heard. Alicia tried changing stations, but found that she was unable
to do so. Her fingers were paralyzed, as well as the rest of her
body, given that at that time a light or white fog enveloped her
body. Her surroundings --everything she had seen before on the
bus--vanished altogether."

"While Alicia still felt herself seated on her bus seat and could
still hear the eerie music, she was transported toward a luminous
point in space, which gradually turned into a luminous spaceship.
Within the vessel, Alicia reportedly saw a large-headed, dwarfish
creature who took her hands and began touching certain points of her
body. The eyewitness' drawing shows a being which corresponds to the
classic, large-headed Greys."

"The creature softly felt her abdomen. Alicia feels that this exam has
a meaning she still cannot fathom. Shortly after, still enveloped in
the strange fog and listening to the same music, feels herself
transported back to the bus and can make out other shapes aboard,
such as the driver and other passengers, as the fog dissipated.
Looking out the window, Alicia realized the bus had gone two block
beyond her own stop, forcing her to get off at the next stop and beat
a retreat home."

"Upon reaching her house, she told her mother to listen to the strange
music which still issues from the Walkman� and later from the home
stereo system. Both women listen to the same music, which is
accompanied by an unpleasant noise. A few seconds later, the original
frequency is restored playing the customary music. Over the course of
subsequent nights, Alicia experienced nightmares in which she can see
a projected image of the Grey, which appears and disappears. At our
request, she began to pray and the situation came to a halt."

"We must take into consideration a few important points: Alicia was
listening to Rock music on an FM station. It was heavy metal and sung
in English, later followed by the ceremonial music which causes the
abduction-type sensation, and the rest of the story told above."

"What conclusions can we reach about this cases, which is by no means
unique, since similar experiences have been recorded elsewhere in the
world? Was it a paranormal event? An experience caused by a momentary
psychological lapse? A trick of her unconscious mind due to her
involvement with the subject, whether through TV shows or attending
lectures?"

"Or did Alicia really tune in to an FM station which was broadcasting
a kind of diabolic music capable of inducing the phenomenon being
discussed, and if so, was it coincidental? Are there certain mental
manipulation factors by means of frequency modulation which try to
tamper with our young people, aided and abetted by two ominous
factors: rock music and personal stereos?"

"Case 2: This case involves a listener of our radio program "M�s All�
del L�mite", who remarked about his experiences with a powerful blue
light inside his bedroom, both at night and at naptime. On certain
occasions, these events have inspired a certain amount of fear, since
he does not really know what is going on."

"This is his story: on one occasion, while handling a piece of
equipment to plug it into an organ, since the experiencer is a
composer of Rock music, he felt a loud sound, similar to an explosion
at the side of his room, while a powerful, spherical ball of light
struck his forehead, causing great pain both in front and in back of
his head. Meanwhile, a strange voice called his name twice from one
of the loudspeakers. There is no need to say that this experience
terrified the witness, who was alone at the time and was unable to
find any experience whatsoever. The young man would have subsequent
experiences in which brilliant blue lights would form part of the
environment."

"Another anomalous or paranormal event? Is there some sort of
intelligence behind all this? Are we being faced with something that
is solidly extraterrestrial or else unknown and occult, but probably
having a terrestrial origin, operating psycho-electromagnetically in
logically selected locations? What do you think?"