In article <nh4trv8h5luck0i6do744m1ocbi3ktah4e@4ax.com>, David Patrick says...

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 04:43:10 GMT, Sir Artio <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:

In article <pt6qrvkskb5mpp4e0rfcj763ha3s8vpkl4@4ax.com>, David Patrick says...

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:14:15 GMT, Sir Arthur <nospam@newsranger.com>
wrote:

Of course, you can still produce any piece of your own UFO research
any time you want.

Patty, perhaps you are snorting too much snuff,
if you read the title of this continuing post, you would
see that I have PROVED that you (and many other debunkers)
are "victims" of extraterrestrial visitations.  

Your main problem is your demonstrated lack of understanding of the
word 'proved'. 

Wrong-wrong-wrong, like everything else the debunkers write.
Proof is the abundance or preponderance of evidence.

Mostly correct, 

Patty, in case you haven't noticed, the War Against
Truth-Terrorists is going on strong.  So be prepared
for your CULT to be targeted by the units of the
pro-democracy forces.  Your time here is over,
and it would be wise for you to move on before
your Cult (and supporters and sympathizers) are 
thrown into the Re-Education Camps!!  But the choice
is yours.

Yes, it has been proven that the following ARE connected to the
Extraterrestial presence:

* Tens of thousands of crop impressions which CANNOT be
duplicated by humans;

* Tens of thousands (if not WAY more) of alien abductions;

* Thousands of alien implants, some which have been removed;

* Thousands of trace cases where the ET craft lands and takes off;

* Thousands of pages of de-classified documents from the Pentagon;

* Back-engineering of down alien craft;

* Tens of thousands of animal mutilations by off-world entities;

and too much more to list.

Now move along Patty, and take your Cult with you.
The public will rest assured that they ARE on the "list!"
And the General IS losing patience!!


Witnesses Assert They Saw Aliens at U.S. Bases//Working Realtion With ETs Now
Decades Old!


The U.S. government has a close working relationship with alien beings, three
unnamed witnesses told a California radio station in a program aired in June.
The four-hour program, produced and broadcast in Berkeley, California, ranged
widely over the UFO topic, but the most explosive segments were the testimony of
a construction contractor who said he saw aliens at Edward's Air Force Base and
at the China Lake Naval Weapons facility in California; the testimony of a man
who described "saucers" being launched from a Northrop facility near Edwards;
and a woman's second-hand account of a meeting between aliens and U.S. military
officers.

Persons whose testimony is on the tape have been threatened and their lives are
in danger.  The radio station itself was told, "Do not ever re-broadcast that
tape!"

According to the broadcast, the interviews were conducted in April 1991 in
communities surrounding Edwards Air Force base in Antelope Valley of Southern
California.  The first witness described himself as a Vietnam veteran, former
Green Beret, military medal-holder, and a licensed general contractor who has
worked on construction projects at China Lake and at Nellis, Scott, Edwards, and
Andrews Air Force Bases.  The project, the witness said, were "mostly
underground."  

UNDERGROUND STRUCTURES, ALIEN BEINGS

Each of these facilities has extensive underground installations, and they are
"definitely not normal military structures," the witness said.  He described
4-foot thick concrete walls and electronically-controlled oval-shaped doorways.

"In one building I worked on at Edwards, called Haystack Buttes, it took us over
5 minutes to get from the top to the bottom by elevator," the witness said.  "We
estimated it was 30 stories deep."  It was here that the witness first saw an
alien.

"We were walking down a hall," the witness said, "and these doors opened and
there was a very particular person or things that caught my eye for an instant.
This man was over seven feet tall.  I'd say between 8 and 9 to 10 feet, wearing
a lab jacket and talking to two [human] engineers.

"This man's arms were almost down to his knees!  It threw me into shock," the
witness said.  And then the doors closed.  Security saw us and told us to get
out of there.  Next day I walked off the job," the witness said.

Asked if the being he saw was a human, the onlooker replied, "Definitely not.
He had big slanted eyes.  A big head.  Fingers were extremely long, greenish
skin."  The witness said he saw the being for "just a couple of seconds.
Three-quarter of its face is what I saw and I said, this guy would make a hell
of a basketball player!"


ONE WITNESS SCARED, THE OTHER DEAD

This eyewitness said his co-worker, "just about died" when he too saw the
beings.  The witness compared the height of the being to the height of the
humans standing next to it.  He said he knew one of the humans, whose height he
estimated at 6 feet 6 inches.   He also described a second encounter with
aliens.  He said he and co-workers saw "greys" at the China Lake Naval
Facilitate.

"They [security] thought we had left--me and two other guys.  But we decided to
stay over and finish this job.  We walked past a hanger and we could see through
a window.  One of the guys I was with, Paul, he saw them first.  He said, 'Come
here!  Hurry up!  I want to show you something!'  And we looked in the window
and there's these four little grey guys about 3 feet tall." 

Continuing on, he said, "Right then, security saw us and they told us, 'We
thought you guys left.'  And they escorted us and said 'You're not allowed
around this hangar.  This hangar if off-limits to everybody.  You'll get
yourself shot.'  And it messed with Paul's mind so much that every chance he got
he sneaked over there.  He finally got caught and was kicked off the base.
About three months later they found him mysteriously dead in Orange County.
This kinda put a scare in me.  I know when not to mess with something," the
witness explained.  

MORE WITNESSES

Two other witnesses can also me seen and heard on the Michael Lindemann
video-tape called, "UFOs and the Alien Presence."  Witness one is formerly an
Air Force Tech Sergeant with a top secret clearance.  In 1965, he was stationed
at Petterson Field in Colorado Springs.  One day he was assigned as a steward
aboard an air plane with a secret destination.  The plane flew to Washington,
D.C. where it picked up a two-star General.  It then flew to Wright Patterson
Air Force Base and picked up an eight-men civilian science team, and it finally
flew to Alamogordo, New Mexico, arriving in the evening.  The next morning, he
and the others got on a bus and drove until they reached a boxed canyon. 

Here's how he described what happened next, "We went on in, all of sudden it
opened up.  And here is huts, hangars and a flight line.  We pull up there, and
the special team-the science team-- got off and went over across the ramp, and
here is a UFO, sitting on the ramp!  There are two beings standing there, that
are communicating, however they are communicating.  The General was a little
over 6-foot tall, and the two individuals were equal in height to him.  They had
flight-suits on that was silver-gray, they didn't have helmets or anything like
that.  They were long-fingered, five-fingered, but they were long-fingered, very
delicate, very slim.  Uniform has one piece, boot all the way up.  We saw the
demonstration as far as the flying of the craft; hovering, disappear and come
back, with virtually no sound.  From there, we went back, very hush-hush.
That's the last we heard of anything."

In 1989, a man named Bob Lazar appeared on Las Vegas television, claiming he was
a physicist, hired by the Office of Naval Intelligence to study the propulsion
system of an alien spacecraft held at a secret location near Groom Lake, Nevada.
He first appeared as a black silhouette labeled "Dennis" on a Las Vegas
television news program in the spring of 1989.  Then he came forward undisguised
as the star attraction in a nine-part special report "UFO:s The Best Evidence,"
anchored by a Las Vegas newsman George Knapp for CBS affiliate KLAS-TV Channel
8.  As with the passage of time, and other employees speaking out who have
worked at that installation, it seems increasingly likely he is telling the
truth.

Let's listen to Bob Lazar, from his own 'Lazar Tape.'  Go ahead Bob, "Between
December of 1988 and April of 1989, I worked as a senior staff physicist in what
has to be the most secret project in history.  My place of work was a facility
at an area know as S-4, on the Nellis Air Force Range in Central Nevada.  Area
S-4 is located approximately 15 miles south of the infamous "Area-51"
installation at Groom Lake, where the U-2 and SR-71 spy planes were developed.
For the duration of my employment at S-4, I was paid by the United States Navy.
I had at least partial view of 9 different discs out at Area S-4."

Thank-you goes out to Elaine Douglass, Michael Lindemann, Bob Lazar and The
Forum for the above information!

but that is exactly my point. You never provide any
evidence of your own and you seem to think that anonymous third hand
accounts are all the evidence that is needed.

And evidence is something that debunkers hate,
and ignore.  But the debunkers time is out and the
public is just saying NO to debunkers and YES
to honest researchers!!!

So which single case do you think provides the best evidence of
extra-terrestial contact then, Flaffer?

You won't answer that either? What sort of honest researcher won't
share information? Answer - a dishonset one.

Now move along here Patty, and take the rest of your
Cult of Useful Idiots with you.  

These are free and democratic newsgroups, you can't ban anyone, no
matter how much you want to.

Unleash your imaginary general as you have been threatening to for
years. Go on, you fraud, i dare you.


David Patrick