On 11 Dec 2003 10:36:33 EST, House Widdershins <sinistre@concentric.net>
wrote:

X-No-Archive: Yes. 
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:40:31 GMT, no name <oobie@doobie.com> wrote:

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Indeed.  And there are.  And there's an alien saucer at Groom.  And

that's

known by wolrd governments too.  

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No, it doesn't. If, however, you were to come up with something
a little more tangible...

That's your job.

Nope. You made the claim, you get to back it up with hard, physical
unambiguous evidence. Don't have any? That's what I thought.

ROFLMAO  Surely you're not that stupid?  One does not need evidence of
evidence.

How about some tangible evidence that confirms the existence (on
earth) of these aliens of yours? That's not asking too much, is it?

First; let's clarify something, the aliens are not mine.  The aliens do not
belong to me nor does their existence depend on what I or you say or on
human belief structures or on evidence.  

Secondly, I am not the creator of evidence.  The observer does not create
the evidence.  Evidence edists independently of the observer.

Thirdly: In any discussion between two parties, if there isn't a
predetermined agreement on what constitutes evidence (the rules of evidence)
then the discussion is derailed right from the beginning.

Typical evasion noted. Word games don't get you out of this one.
You made the claim for a "saucer at Groom (see above)," not
for *evidence* (emphasis added) of a saucer.

Stop playing games. Provide the evidence for the "Saucer,"
or retract the claim.

It's not a claim, but a fact that can be verified.  I don't need to provide
evidence of a fact.  Or evidence of aliens visiting this planet.  The
evidence exists at Groom Lake.  Your belief system has no bearing on the
fact.

Widdershins

Stupidity is not a crime, so you're free to go.