On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:48:21 GMT, KittyKat <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

It IS a secret if no one actually saw this ship except for yourself.

Thousands and thousands of people have seen it.

The 
media and the public were not informed of such a ship being left behind 
by aliens. How long do you think a massive show of people would last 
with a trained army bent on keeping the general public out of government 
property??? 

It would be a revolution.  People are oppressed.

Obviously the government disagrees with you in what is their 
right in keeping such a machine secret. 

No George Bush adn Company disagree, there's a difference.

If the Aliens have not reclaimed 
their  property then it is left for a reason.

To see what we'd do as a species. 

If they are on our planet 
then they are invaders.

We don't own earth, we only occupy it.  They have as mush right here as we
do going putting men in space.

If they are manipulating and tampering with us as 
a species who gave them the right to do it???

Impeccible morality.  What they're doing is the right thng to do.

And what gives them the 
right to do as they please and limit our growth as a species, good or 
bad??? 

They aren't, but we as a species are.

If they are as superior as you say they are they should find 
other planets with life forms more compatible with them technologically. 

They help other species gro up.  Either grow up or die, it's a personal
choice.  Human kind has chosen to self-destruct.

 You have been brainwashed to believe they are benevolent and 
friendly.

Nope.  Not even close.  It's my exeperience and observation by comparison
too the actions of human kind.  

I believe from what you suggest they left the machine behind 
knowing it would destroy humanity. That would be their purpose. 

The alien saucer isn't destroyinganything, it sits inert buried underground
-- it's human reaction to it which is causing the destruction. 

And 
taking you and other with them...well they could be using you for food 
back home for all you know until you get there. Being led (or guided) 
like lambs to slaughter for all you know.

I'm not going with them anywhere.

If the aliens had any brains they would have landed on the White House 
lawn in broad daylight not a secure army facility. 

There was a reason for it.  When the aliens left the saucer they had already
assesed the problem on earth and realized that the military/industrial
complex was the sole problem on earth -- that's why they gave it to them to
see what they'd do.   And now you see what they have done  -- they buried it
and continued with their world conquest and ignored the fact that they're
destroying everything.  Very suicidal.

Then I would believe 
as you say they had no intentions of keeping their contact secret.

Of course the aliens had no intentions of keeping their contact secret.

I'm starting to think you might need to carry a good shovel. The bull 
doo doo is starting to pile up.

No it makes perfect sense, and not only that,.  It's all true.

no name wrote:

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:13:22 GMT, KittyKat <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

ok. say if some of us actually BELIEVE you. That would be a threat to 
the secret and you would become a threat to the security of that secret.

Who says it's a secret?  There's no law on the books which says alien
saucers must be kept a secret.  Besides the aliens didn't require it to be
kept a secret. 

But since the secret is safe 

No so called secrets are ever safe.

and there is no way in hell any of us could 
ever go there and see for ourselves...

Um, yeah you could.  All it would take is a massive show of people at the
gates of Groom, storming the fence with media coverage and you'd get to see
your saucer.  The saucer belongs to you as much as it does to everyone on
this planet.  The government has no right to keep it sequestered.

the secret is safe. At least for 
the time being......and so are you.

I am not safe and have never been, not with the CIA alive and well on this
planet.  But frankly, I would rather not live on a planet in the deplorable
condition ours is in.

Not hard to figure it out. And if these aliens are here and their 
technology is that advanced we are not a threat to them. 

No we are not a threat to them, that is true.  Nor are they a threat to us,
directly.  Ultimately they will be a threat because they will not allow
human kind in space freely as their attitudes are now.  By sequestering
human kind to this planet, human kind is doomed to die.  So inadvertently,
yes the aliens will be our demise.

If we have one 
of their ships and somehow we figure out their technology we would be 
then a threat to them. 

If our intention as a species is to harm aliens with their own technoogy I
can assure you human kind won't get far at all with that notion.  The aliens
will remove it all, including the technology.  It will disappear.

What is stopping them from reclaiming their 
technology. 

They can easily if they want.

Considering they are so much superior than we are to be able 
to travel to different planets I would have thought it would be a piece 
of cake for them to do so.

It is.

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First; let's clarify something, the aliens are not mine.  The aliens do not
belong to me nor does their existence depend on what I or you say or on
human belief structures or on evidence.  

Secondly, I am not the creator of evidence.  The observer does not create
the evidence.  Evidence edists independently of the observer.

Thirdly: In any discussion between two parties, if there isn't a
predetermined agreement on what constitutes evidence (the rules of evidence)
then the discussion is derailed right from the beginning.

                                                   -Ugly Bob

Widdershins

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