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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 05:25:13 GMT, no name <oobie@doobie.com> wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:30:14 -0800, "Ugly Bob" <ugly_bob42@hotmail.com>
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On 11 Dec 2003 10:36:33 EST, House Widdershins <sinistre@concentric.net>
wrote:

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On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:40:31 GMT, no name <oobie@doobie.com> wrote:

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Indeed.  And there are.  And there's an alien saucer at Groom.

And

that's

known by wolrd governments too.

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No, it doesn't. If, however, you were to come up with something
a little more tangible...

That's your job.

Nope. You made the claim, you get to back it up with hard, physical
unambiguous evidence. Don't have any? That's what I thought.

ROFLMAO  Surely you're not that stupid?  One does not need evidence

of

evidence.

How about some tangible evidence that confirms the existence (on
earth) of these aliens of yours? That's not asking too much, is it?

First; let's clarify something, the aliens are not mine.  The aliens do

not

belong to me nor does their existence depend on what I or you say or on
human belief structures or on evidence.

Secondly, I am not the creator of evidence.  The observer does not

create

the evidence.  Evidence edists independently of the observer.

Thirdly: In any discussion between two parties, if there isn't a
predetermined agreement on what constitutes evidence (the rules of

evidence)

then the discussion is derailed right from the beginning.

Typical evasion noted. Word games don't get you out of this one.
You made the claim for a "saucer at Groom (see above)," not
for *evidence* (emphasis added) of a saucer.

Stop playing games. Provide the evidence for the "Saucer,"
or retract the claim.

It's not a claim, but a fact that can be verified.

So, varify it. That's all we want.

Varify?  Is that in the dictionary?  Who is 'we'?  And why do you wnt it?

Further evasion noted.

 I don't need to provide
evidence of a fact.  Or evidence of aliens visiting this planet.  The
evidence exists at Groom Lake.  Your belief system has no bearing on the
fact.

 This has nothing to do with any belief system. All we want is
cold, hard facts. Either you can provide some or you can't. It's
as simple as that.

I did. Facts don't need to be proven.

No, but they need to be verified as fact, otherwise they're still
just so much hand-waving and pot banging. Now show us
proof of your "fact", and we'll stop bugging you.



Widdershins

"Sorry, but idiocy unleavened with some form of sentience does not
 register on the Irony Meter.  Nice try, however.  You did show a
 positive indication on the Idiot Indicator, if that's any consolation."
Glen Quarnstrom (RIP), 1999