no name wrote:

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:35:12 GMT, KittyKat <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

Thousands and thousands of people have seen it. (the alien saucer at Groom Lake)

Where and WHO are these people????

The people who work and have been to Groom Lake.

Well thats just dandy. No doubt they are all sworn to secrecy so they can't verify any of your
claims. Great, they made damn sure they picked the right people to spread the word.

If they are as superior as you say they are they should find other planets with life forms more compatible with them technologically.

The aliens decide what they want to do and when they want to do it, and you
have no choice but to go along with their program.  Thank your lucky stars
they haven't killed you yet, because they surely could, easily. 

Yes, I remember now...they are nice and friendly and 'helping' us grow up or something along that
line.Bullshit, I have every right and choice. Who gave THEM the choices, and who made THEM the boss????
Anyways, if they actually DO exist they are just a different life form from humanity.
Like a dog or a cat from a bird. I'm not worried about the aliens killing me. If what you claim is true, the aliens are arrogant and self serving due to their so called 'superior' techonology. Take that away they are back to the primordial soup like the rest of the species. If they are so frickin arrogant because they have more evolved technology that they act so superior to other species....they are no better than the humans you keep talking about. You talk about them as if they are some sort of Gods, or that they are superior than anything else because of better technology. Sounds like you are brownnosing or in this case 'grey'nosing.

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For someone who knows nothing about aliens and has never met one, you sure
have a lot of opinions.  They are not helping us grow up.  That's a decision
human beings make, it's entirely their choice.  If human beings want to be
in space they are going to have to play it by the 'big boys' rules.  Human
beings are on the low end intelligence and technology wise.  We're babies.
Human beings went into space and found it was already occupied by other
sentient beings  -- they have to universally accept that fact, or stay on
their planet with their heads in the sand.  So far human beings have kept
their heads in the sand and have decided to not accept reality.  It will be
their demise.

Yes I do have my opinions. They made themselves the 'big boys' in space then we should
make ourselves even bigger. "Sentient" beings??? The last time I saw one of those was on a SF show.....you are mixing up the plots a bit. Where did they 'find' these beings?? We do not have to accept any CRAP because some aliens supposedly said so.


Okay, it is as you say. The problem is so far the only sample of human beings they seem to have
communicated with was YOU. I guess that is why they came to the conclusion about the 'low end intelligence' part.

You have been brainwashed to believe they are benevolent and friendly.

Nope.  Not even close.  It's my experience and observation by comparison
to the actions of human kind.

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Talking in circles again???

No thinking, using my brain.  You got one?  Or do you believe everything you
hear on the news at night?  To reiterate, I find from my personal contact
and obeservations of alien behavor over a 50 year period, that they are by
far kinder, more considerate, gentler and more wise than human beings. Aliens have never ever deliberately hurt me whereas human beings have
deliberately hurt me.

Well, you expect ME to believe YOU. Now you are telling me I shouldn't believe anything...????

I believe from what you suggest they left the machine behind knowing it would destroy humanity. That would be their purpose.

Human beings will destroy each other over it, the aliens have nothing to do
with it.  It's about human choice.  It's a big choice:  to accept the
reality of alien presence or die trying to cover it up.  Meanwhile, they're
confined to this planet, mostly by choice because they're freaful of what
they found in space.  NASA was not expecting to have the moon littered with
alien vehicles in orbit around the moon when they got there.

Well, not quite true. It cost MONEY to go out into space. LOTS of money.
As for littering, whats the big deal. We left behind our garbage, and sent probes and stuff to Mars (littering the landscape there)Besides, keeping it a secret is probably a good idea. We don't want the 'other guy' to get it. You make it sound like the only reason we can't (or won't) go out to space is because we are scared or something. If they are hanging around in OUR neighbourhood I would definitely make sure I'd  be one to confront them. If we are so 'suicidal' as you seem to think then we got nothing to looze and lots to gain if we win the fight.

Well, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how human beings have
reacted to alien presence -- considering the USA has an alien saucer and
know undisputedly the aliens are present here.

'undisputedly'??? Seems to be a misprint on your part. Seems to be a lot of 'disputing' posts
in that regard.
Great, and I hope human beings also discovered what the weakness is of these aliens etc. And maybe
find a way to get to THEIR planet and kick some butt.

Yeah, well there were some who believed it and used it as a tool to
interfere in my marriage.  It didn't do them much good.  Actually nothing
will prevent the aliens from being here.  But they can prevent human beings
from taking their explotation of their own species in space.

By whose rules??? Theirs??? And we humans are supposed to sit around peeing our pants becaue
'THEY'RE HEEEEEERRRRE"??  Maybe you should get yourself checked for some sort of 'alien' brainwashing 'implants'.

If the aliens had any brains they would have landed on the White House lawn in broad daylight not a secure army facility.

There was a reason for it.  When the aliens left the saucer they had already
assesed the problem on earth and realized that the military/industrial
complex was the sole problem on earth -- that's why they gave it to them to
see what they'd do.   And now you see what they have done  -- they buried it
and continued with their world conquest and ignored the fact that they're
destroying everything.  Very suicidal.

We haven't destroyed ourselves YET, so don't jump to conclusions.
Gee, that is not what I would do if I had their technology. I would use it on THEM, take over
their measly planet and put them in zoo's. Who made THEM the king of the Cosmos anyways.

LOL. You do not make ANY sense whatsoever.

They would make sense if you used the analogy of a parent to a child, human
beings being the children.

The aliens are an example of a responsible parent??? I don't leave guns around to see what my kids would do with it......someone should call social services on them.

They didn't have to leave ANYTHING. The had ALREADY assesed the problem (your words). So what you are actually SAYING is that we were already killing ourselves and they just gave us a nudge?????With their little gift????

The responsibility is solely human.  If humans cause their own demise
because of their secret keeping it is their choice.  The alien actions can
be seen two ways:  beneficial or nonbeneficial.  It's the human perspective
which counts.

Not if as you say HUMANS are the children. And the ALIENS are the 'responsible adults'.
Makes no sense. If I give a kid a gun just to see what he would do with it or what his 'perspective' is when it comes to the gun or what he does with it, and if he blows his head off.....it somehow becomes the kids fault???Gee, I bet you would make a wonderful parent following the 'alien's' logic.

But they are STILL a secret to the rest of the world. And don't give me that crap about our
'government' doing that. IF they wanted their presense to be known no petty technologically backward (compared to them that is) species could stand in their way. Wrong answer AGAIN!

Well I'd say landing a saucer at Holloman AFB and leaving a saucer there was
a pretty bold statement indicating the aliens have no intention of keeping
themselves secret.

And I say if they wanted the saucer made public they would have given it to the PUBLIC. Why would they leave it at Holloman AFB instead of a Sears parking lot.

I'm starting to think you might need to carry a good shovel. The bull doo doo is starting to pile up.

Logical fallacy of name calling and shooting the messenger.

telling you that you need a shovel for the bs is not name calling. It is a statement. I am not telling
you you are full of shit. That is your perspective of what I am saying. I am stating a fact. And I do not need to provide evidence of the fact. The evidence need no evidence. The EVIDENCE speaks for itself(once again your words)

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If you really want to convice anyone what you say is true you will have to stop spouting the 'DOOMSDAY CULT' crap.