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Debunking conspiracy theorists' paranoid fantasies about Sept. 11
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According to the practitioners of the fruit loop, 19 Arabs took over the 4
planes by subduing the passengers and crew through the use of guns,
knives, box
cutters and gas, and then used electronic guidance systems which they had
smuggled on board to fly the planes to their targets.

The suspension of disbelief required for this outrageous concoction is
only for
the hard core conspiracy theorist. For a start, they conveniently skip
over the
awkward fact that there weren't any Arabs on the planes. If there were,
one must
speculate that they somehow got on board without being filmed by any of
the
security cameras and without being registered on the passenger lists. But
the
curly question of how they are supposed to have got on board is all too
mundane
for the exciting world of the conspiracy theorist.

With vague mumblings that they must have been using false ID ( but never
specifying which IDs they are alleged to have used, or how these were
traced to
their real identities), they quickly bypass this problem, to relate
exciting and
sinister tales about how some of the fictitious fiends were actually
searched
before boarding because they looked suspicious. However, as inevitably
happens
with any web of lies, this simply paints them into an even more difficult
corner. How are they supposed to have got on board with all that stuff if
they
were searched ? And if they used gas in a confined space, they would have
been
affected themselves unless they also had masks in their luggage.

"Excuse me sir, why do you have a boxcutter, a gun, a container of gas, a
gas
mask and an electronic guidance unit in your luggage?"

"A present for your grandmother? Very well sir, on you get."

LOL

"Very strange", thinks the security officer. "That's the fourth Arabic man
without an Arabic name who just got on board with a knife, gun or
boxcutter and
gas mask. And why does that security camera keep flicking off every time
one
these characters shows up? Must be one of those days I guess..."

Asking any of these basic questions to a conspiracy theorist is likely to
cause
a sudden leap to the claim that we know that they were on board because
they
left a credit card trail for the tickets they had purchased and cars they
had
rented. So if they used credit cards that identified them, how does that
reconcile with the claim that they used false IDs to get on to the plane?
But by
this time ,the fruit loop is in full swing, as the conspiracy theorist
tries to
stay one jump ahead of this annoying and awkward rational analysis.  They
will
allege that the hijackers' passports were found at the crash scenes. "So
there!"
they exalt triumphantly, their fanatical faces lighting up with that
deranged
look of one who has just a revelation of questionable sanity.
If the people and the buildings were reduced to ashes....one would wonder
how a passport, which usually one keeps close to one's person like a
'pocket' would remain unscanted.......I would at least wonder.....
Hmm? So they got on board with false IDs but took their real passports
with
them? However, by this time the fruit loop has been completely
circumnavigated,
and the conspiracy theorist exclaims impatiently, "Who said anything about
false
IDs? We know what seats they were sitting in!  Their presence is well
documented!" And so the whole loop starts again.

"Well, why aren't they on the passenger lists?"

"You numbskull! They assumed the identities of other passengers!" And so
on...

Finally, out of sheer fascination with this circular method of creative
delusion, the rational skeptic will allow them to get away with this loop,
in
order to move on to the next question, and see what further delights await
us in
the unraveling of this marvelously stupid story.

"Uh, how come their passports survived fiery crashes that completely
incinerated
the planes and all the passengers? " The answer of course is that its just
one
of those strange co-incidences, those little quirks of fate that do happen
from
time to time. You know, like the same person winning the lottery four
weeks in a
row. The odds are astronomical, but these things do happen...
ALL of just the perpretators pasports???? Or everyone else's??? Those
passports are truly indestructible ...
This is another favorite deductive method of the conspiracy theorist.  The
"improbability drive" , in which they decide upon a conclusion without any
evidence whatsoever to support it, and then continually speculate a series
of
wildly improbable events and unbelievable co-incidences to support it,
shrugging
off the implausibility of each event with the vague assertion that
sometimes the
impossible happens (just about all the time in their world). There is a
principle called "Occam's razor" which suggests that in the absence of
evidence
to the contrary, the simplest explanation is most likely to be correct.
Conspiracy theorists hate Occam's razor.

Having for the sake of amusement, allowed them to get away with the silly
story
of the 19 invisible Arabs, we move on to the question of how they are
supposed
to have taken over the planes.

Hijacking a plane is not an easy thing to do. Hijacking it without the
pilot
being able to alert ground control is near impossible. The pilot has only
to
punch in a four-digit code to alert ground control to a hijacking.
Unconcerned
with the awkward question of plausibility, the conspiracy buffs maintain
that on
that Sept 11, the invisible hijackers took over the plane by the rather
crude
method of threatening people with boxcutters and knives, and spraying gas
(after
they had attached their masks, obviously), but somehow took control of the
plane
without the crew first getting a chance to punch in the hijacking code.
Not just
on one plane, but on all four. At this point in the tale, the conspiracy
theorist is again forced to call upon the services of the improbability
drive.

So now that our incredibly lucky hijackers have taken control of the
planes, all
four pilots fly them with breath taking skill and certainty to their fiery
end,
all four pilots unflinching in their steely resolve for a swift meeting
with
Allah. Apart from their psychotic hatred of "our freedoms" , it was their
fanatical devotion to Islam which enabled them to summon up the iron will
to do
this. Which is strange, because according to another piece of hearsay
peddled by
the conspiracy buffs, these guys actually went out drinking and womanizing
the
night before their great martyrdom, even leaving their Korans in the
bar -really
impeccable Islamic behavior - and then got up at 5am the next morning to
pull
off the greatest covert operation in history. This also requires us to
believe
that they were even clear headed enough to learn how to fly the huge
planes by
reading flight manuals in Arabic in the car on the way to the airport. We
know
this because they supposedly left the flight manuals there for us to find.

LOL. Few flying lessons and they are experts. Must have been one hell of a
school.

It gets better. Their practical training had allegedly been limited to
Cessnas
and flight simulators, but this was no barrier to the unflinching
certainty with
which they took over the planes and skillfully guided them to their doom.
If
they are supposed to have done their flight training with these tools,
which
would be available just about anywhere in the world, its not clear why
they
would have decided to risk blowing their cover to US intelligence services
by
doing the training in Florida, rather than somewhere in the Middle East,
but
such reasoning is foreign to the foggy world of the conspiracy theorist ,
too
trapped in the constant rotation of the mental fruit loop to make their
unsubstantiated fabrications seem even semi-believable.
They liked the beach at Florida????
Having triumphantly established a circular delusion in support of the
mythical
Arabs, the conspiracy theorist now confronts the difficult question of why
there's nothing left of the planes. Anybody who has seen the endlessly
replayed
footage of the second plane going into the WTC will realize that the plane
was
packed with explosives. Planes do not and cannot blow up into nothing in
that
manner when they crash.

Did the mythical Arabs also haul a huge heap of explosives on board, and
mange
to deploy them in such a manner that they went off in the exact instant of
the
crash, completely vaporizing the plane? This is a little difficult even
for the
conspiracy theorist, who at this point decides that its easier to invent
new
laws of physics in order to keep the delusion rolling along.

There weren't any explosives. It wasn't an inside job. The plane blew up
into
nothing from its exploding fuel load! Remarkable! Sluggishly combustible
jet
fuel which is basically kerosene, and which burns at a maximum temperature
of
around 800 C has suddenly taken on the qualities of a ferociously
explosive
demolition agent, vaporizing 65 tons of aircraft into a puff of smoke.
Never
mind that a plane of that size contains around 15 tons of steel and
titanium, of
which even the melting points are about double that of the maximum
combustion
temperature of kerosene - let alone the boiling point - which is what
would be
required to vaporize a plane. And then there's about 50 tons of aluminum
to be
accounted for. In excess of 15lbs of metal for each gallon of kerosene.

For the conspiracy theorist, such inconvenient facts are vaguely dismissed
as
"mumbo jumbo". This convenient little phrase is their answer to just about
anything factual or logical. Like a conjurer pulling a rabbit out of a
hat, they
suddenly become fanatically insistent about the devastating explosive
qualities
of kerosene, something hitherto completely unknown to science, but just
discovered by them, this very minute. Blissfully ignoring the fact that
never
before or since in aviation history has a plane vaporized into nothing
from an
exploding fuel load, the conspiracy theorist relies upon Hollywood images,
where
the effects are always larger than life, and certainly larger than the
intellects of these cretins.

"Its a well known fact that planes blow up into nothing on impact." they
state
with pompous certainty. "Watch any Bruce Willis movie."
Yah....and those clips were staged no less with weeks of planning to get the
right effects.
"Care to provide any documented examples? If it's a well known fact, then
presumably this well known fact springs from some kind of documentation -
other
than Bruce Willis movies ?"

At this point the mad but cunning eyes of the conspiracy theorist will
narrow as
they sense the corner that they have backed themselves into, and plan
their
escape by means of another stunning backflip.

"Ah, but planes have never crashed into buildings before, so there's no
way of
telling." they counter with a sly grin.

Well, actually planes have crashed into buildings before and since, and
not
vaporized into nothing.

"But not big planes, with that much fuel ", they shriek in hysterical
denial.
Or that much metal to vaporize.

"Yes but not hijacked planes!"

"Are you suggesting that whether the crash is deliberate or accidental
affects
the combustion qualities of the fuel?"

"Now you're just being silly".

Although collisions with buildings are rare, planes frequently crash into
mountains, streets, other aircraft, nosedive into the ground, or have
bombs
planted aboard them, and don't vaporize into nothing.  What's so special
about a
tower that's mostly glass? But by now, the conspiracy theorist has once
again
sailed happily around the fruit loop. "Its a well documented fact that
planes
explode into nothing on impact."

Effortlessly weaving back and forth between the position that its a "well
known
fact" and that "its never happened before, so we have nothing to compare
it to",
the conspiracy theorist has now convinced themselves ( if not too many
other
people) that the WTC plane was not loaded with explosives, and that the
instant
vaporization of the plane in a massive fireball was the same as any other
plane
crash you might care to mention. Round and round the fruit. loop...

just watch the videos of the building coming down. And compare that to
buildings on
sites that are brought down in the same manner by construction companies.
They didn't fall apart, they went straight down as if ALL the supports were
blown up at the same time.

But the hurdles which confront the conspiracy theorist are many, and they
are
now forced to implement even more creative uses for the newly discovered
shockingly destructive qualities of kerosene. They have to explain how the
Arabs
also engineered the elegant vertical collapse of both the WTC towers, and
for
this awkward fact the easiest counter is to simply deny that it was a
controlled
demolition, and claim that the buildings collapsed from fire caused by the
burning kerosene.
but if that were the case only the top floors would have been severly
damaged. The supports closer to ground level would not to the degree to
collaps the whole building downward.

For this, its necessary to sweep aside the second law of thermodynamics
and
propose kerosene which is not only impossibly destructive, but also
recycles
itself for a second burning in violation of the law of degradation of
energy.
You see, it not only consumed itself in a sudden catastrophic fireball ,
vaporizing a 65 ton plane into nothing, but then came back for a second
go,
burning at 2000C for another hour at the impact point, melting the
skyscraper's
steel like butter. And while it was doing all this it also poured down the
elevator shafts, starting fires all through the building.

When I was at school there was a little thing called the entropy law which
suggests that a given portion of fuel can only burn once, something which
is
readily observable in the real world, even for those who didn't make it to
junior high school science. But this is no problem for the conspiracy
theorist.
Gleefully, they claim that a few thousand gallons of kerosine is enough to
completely vapourize a 65 ton aircraft, have enough left over to burn
ferociously enough for over an hour at the impact point to melt steel (
melting
point about double the maximum combustion temperature of the fuel ), still
have
enough left over to pour down the elevator shafts and start similarly
destructive fires all through the building.

This kerosine really is remarkable stuff! How chilling to realize that
those
kerosine heaters we had in the house when I was a kid were deadly bombs,
just
waiting to go off. One false move and the entire street might have been
vapourized. And never again will I take kerosine lamps out camping. One
moment
you're there innocently holding the lamp - the next - kapow! Vapourized
into
nothing along with with the rest of the camp site, and still leaving
enough of
the deadly stuff to start a massive forest fire.

OMG, just think how many times we were put at risk by those kerosene lamps.
How come no one had discovered how dangerous they were and taken them off
the market????

These whackos are actually claiming that the raging inferno allegedly
created by
the miraculously recycling, and impossibly hot burning kerosine melted or
at
least softened the steel supports of the skyscraper. Oblivious to the fact
that
the smoke coming from the WTC was black, which indicates an oxygen starved
fire
-therefore, not particularly hot, they trumpet an alleged temperature in
the
building of 2000 C , without a shred of evidence to support this curious
suspension of the laws of physics.

Not content with this ludicrous garbage, they then contend that as the
steel
frames softened, they came straight down instead of buckling and twisting
and
falling sideways.
Since they're already re-engineered the combustion qualities of jet fuel,
violated the second law of thermodynamics, and re-defined the structural
properties of steel, why let a little thing like the laws of gravity get
in the
way?

The tower fell in a time almost identical to that of a free falling
object,
dropped from that height, meaning that its physically impossible for it to
have
collapsed by the method of the top floors smashing through the lower
floors. But
according to the conspiracy theorists, the laws of gravity were
temporarily
suspended on the morning of Sept 11. It appears that the evil psychic
power of
those dreadful Arabs knew no bounds. Even after they were dead, they were
able,
by the power of their evil spirits, to force down the tower at a speed
physically impossible under the laws of gravity, had it been meeting any
resistance from fireproofed steel structures originally designed to resist
many
tons of hurricane force wind as well as the impact of a Boeing passenger
jet
straying off course.
Yes, and how come heads hadn't rolled at the shoddy building practices.
Maybe Boeings didn't or weren't supposedly carrying kerosene so they never
thought of that.......

Clearly, these conspiracy nuts never did their science homework at school,
but
did become extremely adept at inventing tall tales for why.

"Muslim terrorists stole my notes, sir"

"No miss, the kerosine heater blew up and vapourized everything in the
street,
except for my passport."

"You see sir, the schoolbus was hijacked by Arabs who destroyed my
homework
because they hate our freedoms."

Or perhaps they misunderstood the term "creative science" and mistakenly
thought
that coming up with such rubbish was in fact, their science homework.

The ferocious heat generated by this ghastly kerosine was, according to
the
conspiracy theorists, the reason why so many of the WTC victims can't be
identified. DNA is destroyed by heat. (Although 2000 C isn't really
required,
100C will generally do the job.) This is quite remarkable, because
according to
the conspiracy theorist, the nature of DNA suddenly changes if you go to a
different city.

That's right! If you are killed by an Arab terrorist in NY, your DNA will
be
destroyed by such temperatures. But if you are killed by an Arab terrorist
in
Washington DC, your DNA will be so robust that it can survive temperatures
which
completely vapourize a 65 ton aircraft.

You see, these loonies have somehow concocted the idea that the missile
which
hit the pentagon was not a missile at all, but one of the hijacked planes.
And
to prove this unlikely premise, they point to a propaganda statement from
the
Bush regime, which rather stupidly claims that all but one of the people
aboard
the plane were identified from the site by DNA testing, even though
nothing
remains of the plane. The plane was vapourized by the fuel tank explosion
maintain these space loonies, but the people inside it were all but one
identified by DNA testing.
DNA is then 'fireproof'???
So there we have it. The qualities of DNA are different, depending upon
which
city you're in, or perhaps depending upon which fairy story you're trying
to
sell at any particular time.

This concoction about one of the hijacked planes hitting the Pentagon
really is
a howler. For those not familiar with the layout of the Pentagon, it
consists of
5 rings of building, each with a space inbetween. Each ring of building is
about
30 to 35 ft deep, with a similar amount of open space between it and the
next
ring. The object which penetrated the Pentagon went in at about a 45
degree
angle, punching a neat circular hole of about a 12 ft diameter through
three
rings ( six walls).A little later a section of wall about 65 ft wide
collapsed
in the outer ring. Since the plane which the conspiracy theorists claim to
be
responsible for the impact had a wing span of 125 ft and a length of 155
ft, and
there was no wreckage of the plane, either inside or outside the building,
and
the lawns outside were still smooth and green enough to play golf on, this
crazy
delusion is clearly physically impossible.

But hey, we've already disregarded the combustion qualities of jet fuel,
the
normal properties of common building materials, the properties of DNA, the
laws
of gravity and the second law of thermodynamics, so what the hell - why
not
throw in a little spatial impossibility as well ? I would have thought
that the
observation that a solid object cannot pass through another solid object
without
leaving a hole at least as big as itself is reasonably sound science. But
to the
conspiracy theorist, this is "mumbo jumbo". It conflicts with the delusion
that
they're hooked on, so it "must be wrong" although trying to get them to
explain
exactly how it could be wrong is a futile endeavour.

Conspiracy theorists fly into a curious panic whenever the Pentagon
missile is
mentioned.  They nervously maintain that the plane was vapourized by it's
exploding fuel load and point to the WTC crash as evidence of this
behavior.
(That's a wonderful fruit loop.) Like an insect which has just been
sprayed,
running back and forth in its last mad death throes, they first argue that
the
reason the hole is so small is that the plane never entered the wall,
having
blown up outside, and then suddenly backflip to explain the 250 ft deep
missile
hole by saying that the plane disappeared all the way into the building,
and
then blew up inside the building (even though the building shows no sign
of such
damage). As for what happened to the wings - here's where they get really
creative.

The wings snapped off and folded into the fuselage which then carried them
into
the building, which then closed up behind the plane like a piece of meat.
When it suits them, they'll also claim that the plane slid in on its
belly,
(ignoring the undamaged lawn) while at the same time citing alleged
witnesses to
the plane diving steeply into the building from an "irrecoverable angle."
How
they reconcile these two scenarios as being compatible is truly a study in
stupidity.

Once they get desperate enough, you can be sure that the UFO conspiracy
stuff
will make an appearance. The Arabs are in league with the Martians. Space
aliens
snatched the remains of the Pentagon plane and fixed most of the hole in
the
wall, just to confuse people. They gave the Arabs invisibility pills to
help get
them onto the planes. Little green men were seen talking to Bin Laden a
few
weeks prior to the attacks.
LOL
As the nation gears up to impeach the traitor Bush, and stop his perpetual
oil
war, it's not helpful to have these idiots distracting from the process by
spreading silly conspiracy theories about mythical Arabs, stories which do
nothing but play into the hands of the extremist Bush regime.
At a less serious time, we might tolerate such crackpots with amused
detachment,
but they need to understand that the treachery that was perpetrated on
Sept 11,
and the subsequent war crimes committed in "retaliation" are far too
serious for
us to allow such frivolous self indulgence to go unchallenged.

Those who are truly addicted to conspiracy delusions should find a more
appropriate outlet for their paranoia.

Its time to stop loony conspiracy theories about Sept 11.

[Webmaster's note:  The Pentagon missile theory is the Number One Most
Contentious issue amongst 911-skeptics. The arguments have been very
heated.

Early news releases included three photographs that seemed to show
aircraft
debris at the Pentagon, but missile theory advocates disagree that the
fragments
came from a jetliner. Very recently more photos have been located, but
some of
them have no context to prove they were from the Pentagon. (See
http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm)

Everyone agrees that if the plane didn't crash at the Pentagon, it must
have
gone somewhere else-but no trace has been found. David McGowan mentioned
that a
reader wrote him to say that there were media reports of a plane crash in
Colorado that day, which were quickly squelched and never heard from
again.

Personally I am inclined to accept the photographs showing that an
airliner
struck the Pentagon, even though there are many troubling inconsistencies
in
this version of events. However, I have no reason to doubt the sincerity
or the
sanity of anyone who has taken the other side in this issue.

If an airliner did strike the Pentagon, how was this accomplished?  See my
page
entitled "Hani Hanjour, aerobatic pilot?" for more discussion.




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