Reply to article by: kiwilove_nospamplease@paradise.net.atearoa (My name = Harvey)
Date written: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:47:01 GMT
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I get rather pissed off with discussions that get nowhere,
usually when someone thinks they're right and offer no proof or reason.

...words that will come back to haunt you...

You can't simply listen to one source, and say - oh, yeah, he's right.

How many sources should you listen to then, before you can say, oh yeah, they
are all right?

Astronomers say - Oh, I haven't seen a UFO, therefore they don't exist.

That is not what Astronomers say. I don't have to see you to know you exist, why
not UFOs too? Every single Astronomer doesn't have to see a UFO to know that
they exist, the problem is that absolutely no demonstrable evidence has ever
been presented that UFOs exist outside of the imagination of people who tell
stories of them.

Sure they look at the night sky more often, than most other people -
but pilots must also look upwards as well, and are just as competent
observers.

Not true, Astronomers are more competent than Pilots because Astronomers are
*TRAINED* observers or scientists and Pilots are not.

Because they are part of the 'establishment' and have responsible positions
they have reputations to protect. So unless they have the proof for it,
they'll most likely not offer forward any strange and unusual observations.

Don't put words in the mouths of Astronomers that they never actully said.

And there's the so-called UFO / government conspiracies to address.

No conspriracy is worth addressing if it is so-called. Stick to actual definite
facts, not the hearsay of a so-called fact.

If a government had a crashed UFO - what would do they do?

Wouldn't it be a matter of national security - and the best thing would be
to keep quiet about it?

To be a security threat, it has to somehow be a threat to us, so tell us how
would a crashed UFO be a threat to us?

When has any government have the good of the people at heart?

What is good for the people at heart about a crashed UFO?

If there was a way to gain politically from it, maybe they would release
such information? If it makes them look foolish, maybe they'll stay
forever quiet?

How would they gain politically from it? How would it make them look foolish?
Your questions are meaninigless unless you can give them enough credibility to
be worth considering and you haven't done that.

And if they have a crashed UFO - would they ever admit to it now?

That is an unanswerable question since the converse is also just as impossible
to answer: And if they have a crashed UFO -- would they ever NOT admit it?

Your question is meaningless unless you can give us reasons why they would want
to keep/not keep it a secret. All you are doing to rehashing the same ol'
fairytale

Oh, by the way we had one for about 50 years now,

So you say without a single shred of evidence...and then	w you have the gall to
complain that you get rather pissed off with discussions that get nowhere,
usually when someone thinks they're right and offer no proof or reason. That is
exactly what you do. Nothing you've offered has any reason or evidence behind
it, it has all been your blind faith assertion.

and since all of the
old government have now died, we can release this information now.
They'll just look like bloody idiots, releasing the information just now,
instead of long ago.

It would only make them look like idiots if they did something stupid, and
covering up a crashed UFO for fifty years takes intelligence.

Observations don't lie.

Do you have any?

If there was UFO sightings - then they've happened in different times,
all the way back to and through biblical times (Book of Ezekiel) to the
present day. In almost every country of the world.

More blind faith assertion.

There is enough video footage present, from amateurs to military
photographic/video sources.

Name just one video that is credible.

The question is more likely - when will the governments admit to it?
And the military.

There is no hard evidence - hey, here is a crashed UFO.

There is no hard evidence of any UFO ever -- crashed or not.

But there is enough other evidence that is sufficient to convince everyone,
something funny is going on.

What is funny is your "reasons" for beleiving in it.

The Sage

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