Subject: Re: Gravity Powered Aircraft
From: "shu" <washu@hiwaay.net>
Date: 21/05/2004, 02:26
Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo,alt.alien.visitors,alt.ufo.reports,alt.magick.virtual-adepts

Oh yeah.
the idea of traveling through space in such a device is somewhat absurd, or
at the best highly impratical. I'm assuming you mean outer space, as in
traviling to other planets,. their simply aren't enough other particles out
there to create a bouyant force against. there are too many other forces
that would completely take over.. I have a hard time imagining these things
being anything other then large Balloon like aircraft/dirigibles. it's not
because i have a lack of imagination, it's because i've studied the problem.


-- ********** shu "shu" <washu@hiwaay.net> wrote in message news:10aqm92ird8sb4d@corp.supernews.com...
this is actually a very very old idea.
7 years ago I did calculations that deterimined the thickness and weight
of
various materials required to hold vacuums, and partial vacuums, at
various
(large) diameters)

the problem is simply the materials are too heavy and not strong enough to
even come close to working.
perhaps when new, lighter, stronger materials are discovered that this
idea
may become practical.

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**********
shu

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A gravity powered aircraft is being developed by former govornment
and
millitary scientists.  It works in similar to a helium balloon,
except
it is also able to contain large spaces of vacuum which is much
lighter than helium.  The ultralight aircraft becomes lighter than
air
and rises high enough that it can then release some of its stored
vacuum and begin gliding back down to earth like a conventional
ultralight.  Once this technology is developed, which may not happen
in our life time, I am sure it will become more advanced and
vacuum-engineering will be able to take us to space.  You can move
through space in theory the same way because there are a small
number
of particles still in the void, you just need to create better
quality
vacuums.  This technology works similar to a submarine which changes
...

No, it isn't practical to use vacuum for lift, because of the need to
offset the
surrounding air pressure. The whole point of helium etc. is that it is
very
light (over 80% of the weight loss that would come from a total
vacuum),
but it
does exert the compensating pressure from within that can allow the
enclosing
walls to be very thin. That's the only way for the lift to be enough
to
work -
not much weight.

   Gary Shannon, 5/12 had a VERY interesting idea about a vacuum powered
sphere in the post "Nothing in Sphere but Sphere itself," posted by Carl
G.,
5/2/04, at Rec. Puzzles.