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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:04:14 GMT, "CM" <CM@CM.not.really> wrote:

And your evidence that anyone, including the US, has obtained an
extraterrestrial space vessel is?

The evidence is at Groom Lake, and every president and their cabinet

 has

known about it since 1973, so does Bechtel Nevada and Lockheed.

 Millions of

people know, but they've never announced it on television, nor has

 there

ever been a press conference.

An just how would you know that?

Having been exposed and directly involved with secret government for almost
35 years.

Reading Maugham, Greene, Fleming, Le Carre, and Ludlum don't count.
Neither does reading the threads in alt.conspiracy.

Have you actually been to Groom Lake?
No?
Groom Lake is a secured area for testing advanced aircraft in secret.
The military doesn't want possible enemies to find out information
about our latest aircraft - information that might be used against us.

The US has no enemies

Really? THat's good to know.

-- they have the largest and mort advanced weapons of
mass destruction on the planet -- and they're selling them to everyone.  

Where can I get me a 5 kton warhead? My father used to tell stories
about using dynamite to stun fish. Think how many fish (whales even)
you'd be able to stun then scoop up (easier than scooping up pond
scum) if you detonated a 5 kton nuke underwater. I mean, shit, there's
money to be made here!

The government manufactures enemies, 

You said that the US doesn't have any enemies earlier. Make up your
mind.

mostly through public propaganda as a way
of justifying the use of their weapons on innocent countries, like Iraq, for
personal profit of defense contractors, and at the expense of the tax payer.

No no. They do it just to annoy kooks like you.

People who have been there have security clearances and won't give out
any unapproved information, and people that like to blab (like "mmm")
aren't allowed anywhere near there.

There is no law against publicly disclosing information which is not
detrimental to the security of the United States of America.

There's no law against posting kookscreed!

So the claim that "The evidence is at Groom Lake" is suspect, and
probably just makebelive.

No it 's not -- it's quite true, and if you'd do your own research and start
talking with people you will find out many, many people have seen the
extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake.  

Before of after they were anally probed?

Lots of people have come forward to publicly talk about that.  

There are a lot of kooks out there.

Secrets can only be kept for a short time, people
talk -- that's their nature.  And some people deliberately talk about the
because they feel it is wrong to keep those kind of secrets, even though it
may destroy some people's faith in their government, which is basically in
shambles right now.

I I'm too old to help out with that problem.

 Strike 1

Has "mmm" been in on briefings of every President (and their cabinet)
since 1973? I don't think so. 

May people have, and they talk about it.  I've met many -- in fact I met a
woman whose husband was present at Holloman AFB when the aliens left their
saucer on the runway.

I'm having breakfast with Jon Gruden and the team Friday morning. I'll
try to remember to ask Jon if there's a saucer beneath Raymond James
stadium

<snip>The point is, that the people who do know what I say is true, also
know the ramifications of what has been done, they also know that disclosure
is the only recourse they have, or they fact extinction at the hands of
Bechtel and Lockheed.