The_Sage wrote:

Reply to article by: Todd Lemire <tlemire@nospam.com>
Date written: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:40:23 -0400
MsgID:<TIWdnS0LuK4V_pDc4p2dnA@comcast.com>

The recently acquired 14 CD ROM - CIA STARGATE Remote Viewing Government document collection is now available for purchase. Details can be found here:
http://www.michiganufos.com/stargate.html

Why would anyone want to view the results of a failed experiment? The remote
viewing (RV) experiment was a complete flop since the whole entire goal of the
RV program was to see if RV had "any utility for intelligence collection" (AN
EVALUATION OF REMOTE VIEWING: RESEARCH AND APPLICATIONS, by Michael D Mumford,
Andrew M. Rose, and David A. Goslin, pg E4-5). In 22 years of study, it had (and
still has) no utility whatsoever and was "unpromising"...

 "As mandated by Congress, CIA is reviewing available information and past  research programs concerning parapsychological phenomena, mainly 'Remote  Viewing' to determine whether they might have any utility for intelligence  collection. - CIA sponsored research on this subject in the 1970s -- At that  time, the program, always considered speculative and controversial, was  determined to be unpromising" (CIA STATEMENT ON 'REMOTE VIEWING', by the CIA  Public Affairs Office, 6 September 1995)

And no wonder it was so unpromising, as the the experiment was completely
flawed: their 'data' was determined to be sloppy, vague, and supported only by
alot of wishful thinking, therefore it could prove nor disprove anything
factually...

 "It is unclear whether the observed effects can unambiguously be attributed  to the paranormal ability of the remote viewers as opposed to characteristics
 of the judges or of the target or some other characteristic of the methods  was used. Use of the same remote viewers, the same judge, and the same target
 photographs makes it impossible to identify their independent effects" (AN  EVALUATION OF REMOTE VIEWING: RESERACH AND APPLICATIONS by M. D. Mumford, A.  M. Rose and D. Goslin, published by AMERICAN INSTITUTES FOR RESEARCH, pg E3)

"The information provided was inconsistent, inaccurate with regard to  specifics, and required substantial subjective interpretation" (AN EVALUATION
 OF REMOTE VIEWING: RESERACH AND APPLICATIONS by M. D. Mumford, A. M. Rose and
 D. Goslin, published by AMERICAN INSTITUTES FOR RESEARCH, pg E4)

 "In no case had the information provided ever been used to guide intelligence
 operations" (AN EVALUATION OF REMOTE VIEWING: RESERACH AND APPLICATIONS by M.
 D. Mumford, A. M. Rose and D. Goslin, published by AMERICAN INSTITUTES FOR  RESEARCH, pg E4)

You obviously were very biased by the biased reports you mention above. With your lack of objectiveness and your rather quick judgment about these government documents and the included opinions of the agents involved, some of which I know you've never seen, speaks for itself. You're ignorant of the details of this operation, plain and simple. You are obviously not well read in the subject as you only quote 3 authors.  Have you read any documentation from the government sources themselves or the remote viewers?

You obviously don't know the difference between a report of an experiment and
the actual experiment itself. The experiment was a flop and the CIA said so.
Anyone else who claims otherwise, is only doing so out of hearsay and not fact
since only the CIA coducted and observed it's own experiment. If you want to
pretend otherwise, why not do a demonstration of some remote viewing and shut me
up?

The Sage

Your 'Garlicness'

Never claimed I could remote view anything, anywhere in my messages.  Back up your claims of knowledge.  You've obviously sidestepped my question.  I'll give you a hint and I'll hold your hand and escort you to an article.  Who was Dr. Kenneth A. Kress and have you read his article which appeared in the 1977 'Studies in Intelligence'?  Maybe if you would do some research you could shut me up.

Todd