Reply to article by: Todd Lemire <tlemire@nospam.com>
Date written: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 05:40:57 -0400
MsgID:<9KCdnZ3_QvfBkZPcRVn-gQ@comcast.com>

The recently acquired 14 CD ROM - CIA STARGATE Remote Viewing 
Government document collection is now available for purchase. 
Details can be found here:
http://www.michiganufos.com/stargate.html

Why would anyone want to view the results of a failed experiment? The remote
viewing (RV) experiment was a complete flop since the whole entire goal of the
RV program was to see if RV had "any utility for intelligence collection" (AN
EVALUATION OF REMOTE VIEWING: RESEARCH AND APPLICATIONS, by Michael D Mumford,
Andrew M. Rose, and David A. Goslin, pg E4-5). In 22 years of study, it had (and
still has) no utility whatsoever and was "unpromising"...

 "As mandated by Congress, CIA is reviewing available information and past 
 research programs concerning parapsychological phenomena, mainly 'Remote 
 Viewing' to determine whether they might have any utility for intelligence 
 collection. - CIA sponsored research on this subject in the 1970s -- At that 
 time, the program, always considered speculative and controversial, was 
 determined to be unpromising" (CIA STATEMENT ON 'REMOTE VIEWING', by the CIA 
 Public Affairs Office, 6 September 1995)

And no wonder it was so unpromising, as the the experiment was completely
flawed: their 'data' was determined to be sloppy, vague, and supported only by
alot of wishful thinking, therefore it could prove nor disprove anything
factually...

 "It is unclear whether the observed effects can unambiguously be attributed 
 to the paranormal ability of the remote viewers as opposed to characteristics
 of the judges or of the target or some other characteristic of the methods 
 was used. Use of the same remote viewers, the same judge, and the same target
 photographs makes it impossible to identify their independent effects" (AN 
 EVALUATION OF REMOTE VIEWING: RESERACH AND APPLICATIONS by M. D. Mumford, A. 
 M. Rose and D. Goslin, published by AMERICAN INSTITUTES FOR RESEARCH, pg E3)

"The information provided was inconsistent, inaccurate with regard to 
 specifics, and required substantial subjective interpretation" (AN EVALUATION
 OF REMOTE VIEWING: RESERACH AND APPLICATIONS by M. D. Mumford, A. M. Rose and
 D. Goslin, published by AMERICAN INSTITUTES FOR RESEARCH, pg E4)

 "In no case had the information provided ever been used to guide intelligence
 operations" (AN EVALUATION OF REMOTE VIEWING: RESERACH AND APPLICATIONS by M.
 D. Mumford, A. M. Rose and D. Goslin, published by AMERICAN INSTITUTES FOR 
 RESEARCH, pg E4)

You obviously were very biased by the biased reports you mention 
above. With your lack of objectiveness and your rather quick 
judgment about these government documents and the included 
opinions of the agents involved, some of which I know you've 
never seen, speaks for itself. You're ignorant of the details of 
this operation, plain and simple. You are obviously not well 
read in the subject as you only quote 3 authors.  Have you read 
any documentation from the government sources themselves or the 
remote viewers?

You obviously don't know the difference between a report of an experiment and
the actual experiment itself. The experiment was a flop and the CIA said so.
Anyone else who claims otherwise, is only doing so out of hearsay and not fact
since only the CIA coducted and observed it's own experiment. If you want to
pretend otherwise, why not do a demonstration of some remote viewing and shut me
up?

Never claimed I could remote view anything, anywhere in my 
messages. Back up your claims of knowledge.

I never said *you* had to *personally* demonstrated remote viewing, any
demonstration will do. Pay attention to what you are told before reacting.

You've obviously 
sidestepped my question.  I'll give you a hint and I'll hold your 
hand and escort you to an article.  Who was Dr. Kenneth A. Kress 
and have you read his article which appeared in the 1977 'Studies 
in Intelligence'?

That wasn't the original question and yes, I obviously read the *government*
questions as I demonstrated by *quoting* from the government sources.

Maybe if you would do some research you could shut me up.

Fantical believers, like yourself, historically only get louder the more they
are embarassed by the facts.

So when are you going to demonstrate a remote viewing that exists outside of
your poorly documented imagination?

The Sage

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