On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 02:55:06 +0000 (UTC), Augray <augray@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 01:08:19 +0000 (UTC), Ed Conrad
<edconrad@verizon.net> wrote in
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On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 00:42:24 +0000 (UTC), Augray <augray@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 23:29:24 +0000 (UTC), Ed Conrad
<edconrad@verizon.net> wrote in
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NOTICE: The talk.origins newsgroup is blackballing this posting --
not allowing it to appear -- contrary to its charter and bylaws. This
posting is indeed ON TOPIC but apparently has created too much
heat in its kitchen.

Then why did it show up?

[snip]

This is an underground mining map showing coal veins
that were vioently disrupted, and where most of the fossils 
(below) came from.

 > http://www.edconrad.com/ebay/Fossils/MVC-033S.JPG

Why are you the only person to interpret the map this way?

[snip]

And Earnest Hooton, longtime professor of anthropology at Harvard 
University, seconded the motion years later in his book, "Apes, Men
and Morons," citing the absence of undeniable physical evidence.

 "I can point to many anatomical
 features of man in which the known
 courses of evolution can be explained
 plausibly by the theory of natural
 selection, but I do not know of one
 in which it can be proved."

But he also wrote that:

    For myself, a naive physical anthropologist, the way still seems
    comparatively straight and plain. I adhere to the old-fashioned
    belief that the more numerous and detailed the resemblances
    between two animals the closer the relationship between them.
    Effect of similarity or difference of habitus can not obscure
    man's fundamental likeness to the great anthropoid apes, and
    especially to the gorilla and the chimpanzee. I therefore persist
    in the opinion that these two apes are our nearest collateral
    relatives...

    - Earnest Hooton in "Apes, Men and Morons", page 74.

And earlier on, he wrote that

    As I have said, I am not concerned with the eternal verities of
    religion, but only with its temporal utility. Hence it has
    seemed to me in every respect desirable that systems of
    religious belief and practice be harmonized with the scientific
    facts and probabilities of the evolutionary theory. And I am
    not aware that unsurmountable difficulties have been
    encountered by Christian scholars in such harmonization.

    - Earnest Hooton in "Apes, Men and Morons", page 7.

Tell me Ed, if there is "evidence galore", why do you feel the need to
lie about the beliefs of Earnest Hooton?

[Snip the rest]

augray:

I said before and I'll say again, you -- Jon Barber, previously known
in talk.origins as gen2rev -- are on the payroll of the Scientific
Establishment.

You AND Attorney David Sienkiewicz.

Probably a few others as well.

Ed, you don't really believe this. I offered to co-operate in your
investigation of this claim, and all I got in response was silence.

It means American tax dollars are being used to perpetuate
a myth -- the evolution of man -- that has warped the mind of men,
and warping the mind of children.

Is the "pseudoscientific conspiracy" so desperate that Americans have to
pay a Canadian?

Your accusations, and Sienkiewicz', of dishonesty by me doesn't 
ave a dog's leg to stand on.

Then explain the statements by Hooton that I supplied above. I wiped the
floor with you when we debated Hooton's beliefs, and I can do it
again...

Everything the good folks jhave read here is the truth, the whole
truth and nothing but the truth.

Except for the parts where you lie.

Your anthropological community, headed by the Smithsonian
Institution, is a conspiracy utilizing deceit, deception and
dishonesty.

No, they've simply pointed out that all you have are rocks.

 It is a black eye to the sacred name Science and belongs in 
a sewer. Even the sewer would clothespin its nose, that's how bad
you smell.

And yet, you continue to lie about Hooton. Any stench that might be in
the air comes from *you*..

I doubt that
In fact, I think I can hear the Sewer saying "Phew!!" 

Ed Conrad

http://www.edconrad.com

Man as Old as Coal
  (as much as you and Stinky don't like it)

It's not a case of not liking it, it's a case of it not being true.