"nan" <no@noemail.org babbled...

There is absolutely no lack of evidence what so ever.
Extraterrestrial presence is verified, documented and proven.  Period.
There's an extraterrestrial saucer (intact) at Groom Lake S4.
There needs to be no further proof.  It's a done deal.

Groom Lake is a testing ground for advanced military aircraft.

No it isn't.

What have you got against reality? First you insist that there is a 
"Extraterrestrial Saucer" there, (with a notable lack of evidence), then you 
insist that something that has been verified isn't so!

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groom_Lake
" Area 51 is a parcel of U.S. military-controlled land in southern Nevada, 
apparently containing a secret aircraft testing facility. It is also known 
as Watertown, Dreamland, Paradise Ranch, The Farm, The Box, and The 
Directorate for Development Plans Area, and simply Groom Lake. It is also 
famed as the subject of many UFO conspiracy theories."

"Groom Lake is not a conventional airbase, and front-line units are not 
normally deployed there. It appears, rather, to be used during the 
development, test and training phases for new aircraft. Once those aircraft 
have been accepted by the USAF, operation of that aircraft is generally 
shifted to a normal airforce base. Groom is reported, however, to be the 
permanent home for a small number of aircraft of Soviet design (obtained by 
various means). These are reportedly analysed and used for training 
purposes."

also check: http://www.unrealaircraft.com/notes_groom.php
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread26518/pg1 (Pictures!)
http://www.fas.org/irp/overhead/groom.htm
http://www.ufomind.com/area51/
(and over 8,000 other sites found by Googling)
Yes, even your fellow UFO enthusiasts recognize it as a "testing ground".

What is your evidence for any kind of "Saucer Craft" at Groom Lake?

Seven people who've been there, worked there, including one person who
was.is posting to aav, and their identity is known.

That is a step in the right directions, but do you have any cites? Any 
personal websites? Any evidence that these 7 really did work there and are 
not "tall tale tellers"?

You haven't been there, and the people who work there don't blab about it.

Yes they do blab about it all of the time.

Blabbing or Storytelling?

What is your evidence that there is _Anything At All_ that is
"Extraterrestrial" at Groom Lake? Lack of evidence noted yet again.

Go there and look for yourself.  Or better yet attack the private
corporations who are holding the extraterrestrial saucer at Groom Lake
hostage and hiding behind national security as a means to profit from
defense contracts rather than providing the services they've been 
contracted
to do.  Eisenhower warned against the military/industrial complex, and 
Groom
Lake and 911 are prime examples of that.

Eisenhower was worried about too much money being diverted into 
unaccountable "black box" budgets and fraud, and a too-cosy relationship 
between defense contractors and the defense department. (That is still a 
major problem.) Eisenhower was _Not_ concerned with flying saucers or ET's, 
as that famous warning speech made no mention of such things.

CM