Reply to article by: "rick nielsen" <rnielsen@centurytel.net>
Date written: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 23:12:01 -0400
MsgID:<Ro2dnRPt8_0n8uHcRVn-3w@centurytel.net>

Since they can be seen, and many appear on radar, that is not beyond
the range of normal experience. Plus there are many scientific
explanations given for UFO's, swamp gas, Venus, plasma, ect, ect
so you are dead wrong labeling  UFO's as paranormal, but what can one
expect from a stooge ?

Your are such a freaking illiterate idiot. You forgot about the word that
preceded experience: normal. Ghosts and ETs are not "normal" experiences. They
might be experiences but not of the normal kind, more like the extraorindary
kind of experience.

There is no such thing as a normal experience. there is only experience and
non experience , normal is a mathematical term and has no place in the world
of experiences, ie. there is no such thing in the real world of experience
as a normal dog or an average cat each dog , cat is a unique, as each
experience is a unique event.

Unproven assertions. For one thing, normal, in this context, has abosolutely
nothing to do with math, it has to do with "The usual or expected state, form,
amount, or degree". Ghosts and ETs are not usual or expected. Your incompetent
logic leads us to the conclusion that UFOs and ghosts are absolutely normal
experiences when they obviously are extraordinary experiences.

By your logic above anything unexpected is by your defination paranormal,

Strawman. It isn't my definition, it is thee english definition and the
definition did not say anything about "unexpected" but about experiences that
either aren't an usual or normal experience and/or cannot be explained by
science.

Nothing in any dictionary that says there is a normal outside mathematics

Wrong. See http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=normal&r=67. It says that
normal is "Conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard,
pattern, level, or type; typical". There is nothing there about mathematics
being involved. You are making dangerous sweeping generazilations about
something you know little about. Math is only a tool used by scientists to
*quantify* normal (when possible), not define it.

and the concept of an average or standard occurance or thing, my statement
is the obvious one that the concept of an average or standard item or thing
is a flawed concept of language  to make  communication possible things and
ideas have to be named but the key thing is the name is not the thing, just
as the menu is not the meal , and the map is not the teritorry so while one
can speak of a normal occurance in the real world of experience there is no
such thing ,every experience is unique and every thing in space- time is
unique. To speak of a normal occurance as differant from an abnormal
occurance is only possible from philosophical position and while this may be
personally meaningful outside the realm of the personal, philosophy is
pretty much about as useful as religion or any other internal system ,
meaningless in the real  concrete world.

Everybody experiences hunger so that is a normal experience because it is usual
and typical. This one example alone proves your logic and your reason have holes
in it. The problem is that you have no clue what normal means and so you
redefine it as you (mis)understand it. The real thing you should be asking
yourself is, what do other people besides yourself define it, ie -- what do
scientists define it as? Considering the *fact* that science considers UFOs and
ETs paranormal instead of normal, should tell you something. In fact, the
average person on the street anywhere in the world will tell you the obvious
that you can't figure out -- that UFOs and ETs ARE NOT normal experiences.

The Sage

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