| Subject: Re: WHO TAKES "Pete Charest" SERIOUSLY? |
| From: "rick nielsen" <rnielsen@centurytel.net> |
| Date: 25/10/2004, 17:28 |
| Newsgroups: alt.ufo.reports,alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranet.ufo,alt.ufo,alt.alien |
Wrong. See http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=normal&r=67. It says
that
normal is "Conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard,
pattern, level, or type; typical". There is nothing there about
mathematics
being involved. You are making dangerous sweeping generazilations about
something you know little about. Math is only a tool used by scientists to
*quantify* normal (when possible), not define it.
nothing in this defination says that any experience is not unique, or indeed
any thing is not unique. it is only language short hand again to aid
communication the name is not the thing and the menu is not the meal. the
only place that normal has any real meaning is in mathmatics which is itself
abstract
and the concept of an average or standard occurance or thing, my
statement
is the obvious one that the concept of an average or standard item or
thing
is a flawed concept of language to make communication possible things
and
ideas have to be named but the key thing is the name is not the thing,
just
as the menu is not the meal , and the map is not the teritorry so while
one
can speak of a normal occurance in the real world of experience there is
no
such thing ,every experience is unique and every thing in space- time is
unique. To speak of a normal occurance as differant from an abnormal
occurance is only possible from philosophical position and while this may
be
personally meaningful outside the realm of the personal, philosophy is
pretty much about as useful as religion or any other internal system ,
meaningless in the real concrete world.
Everybody experiences hunger so that is a normal experience because it is
usual
and typical.
Prove that any two person's feeling of hunger is identical. hunger, is a
name we have gave to a concept to share an experience it, but that doesn't
mean the way I feel it is the same as the way you feel it or for the same
things, you may hunger for spinach and I won't eat it so the hunger for
spinach never crosses my mind
This one example alone proves your logic and your reason have holes
in it. The problem is that you have no clue what normal means and so you
redefine it as you (mis)understand it.
show me wrong show me any event or experience that is identical most of the
time ,hell show me any event ,or experience that is identical in all
respects two times (although to be fair for it to fit the defination for
normal it would have to be identical more times than not)
Normal is an abstract ,doesn't exsist in nature.Game rule to be exact. we
have all agreed to what words mean but the name is not the thing
The real thing you should be asking
yourself is, what do other people besides yourself define it, ie -- what
do
scientists define it as? Considering the *fact* that science considers
UFOs and
ETs paranormal instead of normal, should tell you something.
Generalising here you have not surveyed every single one of the scientific
community so the most you can say is some but not all of scientists
consider UFOs and Ets paranormal .
In fact, the
average person on the street anywhere in the world will tell you the
obvious
that you can't figure out -- that UFOs and ETs ARE NOT normal experiences.
Ufos and the et theory isn't the same thing ufos are unidentified flying
objects , it is entirely normal for anyone to see something they cannot
identify in the sky , the theory that they are ets and spaceships is a
limited theory as to what some of them may be, if the the theory were to
turn out to be true for some of the sightings then they would by the nature
of them being true become normal experiences ,rare perhaps but being
physical objects viewed through physical means, but the word is still out on
the theory , in some cases it matches the evidence well and in others not so
well. and at this point all we have is the evidence and noone "knows''what
it means, unless one wishes to take a philosophical position and claim some
things are impossible but that fallsinto the range of belief and faith which
don't interest me much, although you seem to take much comfort in
yourworship of yesterday's science
ng liars; the men they detest the most violently are
those who try to tell them the truth" -- H. L. Mencken
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