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On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:13:25 -0000, "altheim" <altheim@freeuk.com>
licked the point of a #2 Yellow Pencil, and wrote:

"researcher" <crbjlrnld@yahoo.com> wrote:

altheim wrote in message <341s04F44j6h7U1@individual.net>...

"researcher" <crbjlrnld@yahoo.com> wrote:

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Ordinary carona discharge around inanimate objects is like a random mixture
of light and magnetic and electric fields, behaving randomly like fire
flames in a fire place.
The carona discharge (or Aura) around an organism shows a detailed
organization of the energy that is not random. It has veins and passage ways
moving through it. It also has bright flares at the accupuncture points

Crap! I've seen so-called Kirilian photography. No such thing occurs.

showing that the carona discharge is high lighting another energy that is
already there. Cut off a finger, or part of a leaf, and put the hand or leaf
in the electric fields, and the carona discharge still shows the same thing
in the region of the missing part. The electric fields are illuminating
another energy that is already there, -the chi or psychotronic energy.

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I don't have a problem with that, if worded in such a manner, but why
address Kirlian  type corona discharges as the source of your
psychotronic energy?

The Czechoslavakians named it psychotronic energy. In the book PSYCHIC
DISCOVERIES BEHIND THE IRON CURTAIN, the physicists investigating this
energy first found it in the human aura, using kirlian photography. I was
looking for any energy in science that could explain the effects that UFOs
produce, and this is the only energy I found that can do that. One energy
that can cause all of the different effects UFOs cause.

First of all, genius, researcher has to show a connection between 
UFOs (Unidentified Flying Objects), and interstellar spaceships under 
alien control. He has not provided any evidence to back up
that assertion.

That sounds like a reasonable conclusion and I wish you every success
if you intend to pursue that line of inquiry.

A reasonable conclusion would have included the liklihood of
alien controlled space craft. Get your nose out of researchers
ass, and try to think critically.

But it might be worth noting that (in psychical research) large scale
psychokinetic effects have been observed to occur almost always
without deliberate intent. Attempting to will an 'event' to occur usually
fails and if it does occur on cue the law of probability suggests it is
coincidence.

Or a hoax, or a delusion.

That is not to say that PK is divorced from mental processes.
I have never heard of a case of apport, poltergeist, movement of
objects at a distance, etc. that did not involve a human to generate
it or observe it. If there is, hidden in the depths of the human brain,
a means of harnessing psychokinetic force I'm afraid (AFAIK at
this moment in time) no scientist has discovered it. Your ideas
about psychotronic energy are as good as anyone elses so,
go for it.

Another way to have phrased the last, would be to say, "Your ideas
about psychotronic energy are as deluded as anyone elses..."

Czech scientist and mathematician, Robert Pavlitta developed these

devices,

different kinds of metals combined in unusual shapes, that have been

shown

to resonate with this energy and collect it; called psychotronic

generators.

My theory is that UFOs must have some sort of psychotronic generators as

the

source of their energy field and propulsion.

Why?

Those generators are the only physical devices that seem to charge up on
this energy type and use it to do specific tasks.
One generator kills flies, one pruduces strong magnetic like attraction, but
it is not magnetic, one causes plants to grow faster, etc...
UFOs some times cause sickness, produce magnetic effects, and cause
stimulation of plant growth at landing sites. There are several other
effects that match with UFOs.
If these are the only devices that can use this type of energy, then UFOs
must have some type of psychotronic generators in them, to charge up on and
use this energy. It is a vibrational energy, so resonance can be used to
charge up on it.

It's all bollocks.

Interesting. Do you know if Robert Pavlitta has published a paper
or intends to? Or is he still working?

Experts agree that UFOs are using some sort of energy field propulsion.
Note: The bursting of the plant stem nodes in crop circles, diminishes
with 1/r as you get away from the center.

Why would that suggest "energy field propulsion"? You would expect
damage to diminish in such a manner even if it were a rocket ship,
wouldn't you?

You have a silent, floating aircraft, with no propelers or wings and not
shaped aerodynamically, with no exhaust, and it rapidly accelerates away,
that means energy field propulsion. The glow around the whole craft or on
lights around the rim, means energy field propulsion.

That means that the observer is lying, deluded, or just plain loony.

Oh! right. I hadn't thought of that.

Neither had I, and you  know why? It doesn't exist. Deal
with it.

All known energies diminish with one over distance squared (1/r2), The
effects of psychotronic energy were found to diminish with one over distance
1/r. That means it is an unknown energy.

Um! yes, I guess it does.

The energetic effects in the crop circles resembles the effects of this
energy:
Interference with electrical equipment (camera batteries malfunction),
bursting of plant stem nodes as if by heat radiation, unusual spinning of
compass needles, increased plant growth or decreased plant growth. The
Researches into bio-plasmic energy have found all of these effects

produced

by psychotronic energy, or aura energy.

Couldn't ordinary electromagnetic energy cause all those things?

No. Ordinary electromagnetic energy will show effects while the source of
the energy is near and when the source leaves, the energy effects go away.
Psychotronic energy will linger for days after the source is gone, producing
the same effects.

What a load of CRAP!!! Researcher has yet to provide any documentation
about how to generate, in a repeatable fashion, this "energy." Your
hanging on every word only encourages this fellow credophile to 
greater lunacy.

So, it's a kind of radiation?

Proper science is to start with the facts as they are observed. UFOs, as
observed, appear to be utilizing another dimension.

Explain what you mean by "dimension" - I know of only four and in those,
everything should remain visible.

Another mode of existence occupying the same space as the physical
dimension.

OK.
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What a load! You guys are seriously discussing a phenomenon
for which there is sod all for evidence, and you're doing it as
though it were real. 

Hey, everybody, Flaggie's back.



Widdershins

Never argue with a kook. First he'll pull you down to his level, 
and then beat you through experience.