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from: (dicckk@prodigy.net)
subject: Debunkers are delusional
newsgroups: alt.paranormal
date: 2001-10-02 17:11:03 PST
I've been observing debunkers on these NGs for at least two years now.
They've always raised my curiosity, especially the more empty_headed
variety who don't even make an attempt at doing less than name calling,
throwing
insult or making inappropriate responses to out-of-contex, or snipped
posts to make
some questionable point.
..etc..
They sincerely think they can manage to compose very well.
They hang out in these NGs like a clique of imciles, joining forces,
exchanging congratulations, and bragging about imaginary kills.
Some are more dedicated than others, and go to extremes, especially
if they are denied the idea that the person under attack, really
doesn't give a
damn.
These types of debunkers are relenteless and vigilant, spending much
time in their effort to denigrate or chastice or name call and insult
posters who
they hit on as targets.
..etc..
Debunkers have no morals, least of all a coscience.
..etc..
I mean you realy can't be affronted by morons who make absolutely no
sense in their response to your posts.
..etc..
Whethever debunkers come in the guise of trolls, those who flame, or
skeptics, the type described here is unsuccessful.
In fact, if they had any brains, they'd be embarrassed.
..etc..
They wants to destroy any vestige of reasonable debate.
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Note:
I will reply only to nemo_never the coward.
nemo_never (the brave sockpuppet) to fulfill a role in usenet wrote:
... ...
To sum it up, and please fell free to disagree, I don't think that
there is really a > debate on UFOs and the sort; frankly your part
has
been asked many times to provide
substantion for their claims better people than me have argued ad
nauseam with some
of your.. league, and the results are always the same: there is no
evidence that your
claims are correct. None at all, zero, zilch. Indeed, I would be
ready to apologise
unreservedly, if you were provide something concrete to back up your
claims.. perhaps
an alien artefact?
http://www3.sympatico.ca/hpohland/docs/Nebra.html
from the link above:
The researchers suggest that the artfact, which was dicovered within a
pit inside a Bronze Age ringwall, is around 3600 years old and claim it
to be the oldest concrete rapresentation of the stars in the world.
E per fugare ogni dubbio anche sull'epoca di realizzazione del disco,
il chimico Heinrich Wunderlich, (direttore della sezione scientifica
del Museo che ospita il disco), ha confermato che il tipo di corrosione
subita dall'oggetto corrisponde a quella di un metallo risalente
all'Età del bronzo.
Nota:
La corrosione può essere indotta artificialmente per invecchiare in
modo fraudolento un oggetto da spacciare come antico.
Ma c'è un limite: La corrosione <<finta>> mostra cristalli molto
piccoli, mentre il disco di Nebra presenta delle strutture molto ampie,
quasi di forma sferica, impossibili da riprodurre artificialmente.
..about some artefacts now ?
http://uplink.space.com/printthread.php?Cat=&Board=seti&main=117421&t
Nel 1991 nella zona orientale della catena dei monti Urali sulle rive
dei fiumi Narada Kozhim e Babanzhu sono stati ritrovati migliaia di
strani artefatti in gran lunga spiraliformi, di origine sconosciuta.
Gli artefatti sono stati rinvenuti a una profondità compresa fra 3 e
12 metri, le dimensioni di questi artefatti sono tra 3 cm e 0,003 mm
Per lo studio di questi artefatti sono stati incaricati vari Istituti
situati a Mosca, a San Pietroburgo, a Syktyvar (KOMI) e all'estero
della federazione Russa, nella capitale Finlandese (Helsinki).
Caro "nemoever" nell'era PLEISTOCENE sulla terra non esisteva
assolutamente una civiltà in grado di produrre degli artefatti simili
(out of place artifacts).
nemo_never wrote:
I would be ready to apologise unreservedly, if you were to provide
something concrete
to back up your claims... perhaps an alien artefact?
OOPS ! ..it appears that you was wrong ..now do you apologise ?
Nope.
Plane B You start to harrass me again
Plane C You award me with one of your bullshit award
Plane E You start to call me names from your computer desk
And now a man who needs no introduction !!
..However:
news:<ce26817e.0407120150.7d508432@posting.google.com>
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Well, Ladies and Gentlemen, I think that it's everything in this
thread.
The Debunkers like nemo_never, and his friends debunkers are neither
but some
irrelevant cowards buffoons.
Another example ?
See another famous punk:
O' brother aka OhBrother (nobody@noplace.com)
If you have so many "proofs" then lay them all out there? All
you've done is to hint that maybe the sumerians were influenced by
UFO people,
but without nothing else to base it on except your bias towards "the
eerie and mysterious world of the UFO".
Huh..? as a matter of of fact I did show those "proofs" several times,
No eerie or mysterious stuff.
Let's see..
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=zX0Ob.14739%24f97.366%40fe3.columbus.rr.c
om
O'said: The reason is that you have N O T H I N G to back yourself
up.
Hell, NO Sir,
There are plenty of proof's and evidences that aliens have visited our
planet ages ago,and probably they still are.
see: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1322432.stm
from the link above:
The campaign belives the US Government has known about the existent of
UFOs over 50 years but has been trying to hide it.
see: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3707057.stm
from the link above:
Footage released by the Mexican air force is further proof of the
existence of UFOs, an investigator has said.
#The KBG admits the existance of extraterrestrials, and the ex
cosmonaut Pavel Popovic has spread these files to the press
see: http://www.ufos.it/ufos.htm
Modern men was clueless even about the planet Earth 'till 1530
[see N.Copernicus and his work De Revolutionibus]in which asserted
that the Earth rotated on its axis..and that is not the Sun and the
rest of the planets that go around the Earth.
#The Sumerians [2900-1800 bC] used to keep astronomy records, on
clay-texts and used also some kind of ephemeris-manuals with severals
news mathematics terms still unknow in these days
[see:Prof.O.Neugebauer] they analyze the movements of the moon and
planets, they praticed/mastered configurational astronomy.
The Sumerians known about the existence of uranus, neptune, pluto,
while "we" discovered uranus in 1781 (William Herschel) neptune in 1846
(Johann Gotfried Galle & Heinrich Ludwig d'Arrest) and pluto in 1930
(Clyde Tombaugh)
I guess the Sumerians for reach all their astronomical knowledge needs
a very long period of study and observations (without any telescopes)
and storing everything on their data/texts (clay-tablets)a
lot of clay-texts that still are beyond the understanding of many
Professors.
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#The Dogon people was (and still are) a reclusive tribe of cave and
hillside-dwelling farming people inhabiting a sparse, rocky plateau in
southeastern Mali,in West Africa.
Isolated topographically and culturally from the outside world for
countless centuries, they may well appear on first sight to be
exceedingly unlikely receptacles of highly advanced astronomical
knowledge which only goes to show just how easily we can be deceived
by outward appearances.[from:http://crystalinks.com/dogon2.html]
So it was impossible for them to get all their astronomical knowledge
by a possible 'causal' contacts with others people. [see: Prof.Robert
Temple]
The Dogon told to Prof.M.Griaule and Prof. G.Dietele
(anthropologists)in 1931-1946 that:
1)The make-up of Sirius B is made by a kind of heavy and dense matter
unknown on Earth, (but only in 1928 moder men known about the
white-dwarf)
[see:Sir Arthur Eddington] and Sirius B is big like the Earth but is
heavier than the Sun.
2)Sirius B has an elliptic orbit, and it take 50 years for covering it.
3)The Dogon known a extraordinary knowledge about our solar system.
4)The Dogon known that our satellite moon is dry and with no-life on
it.
5)The Dogon use to draw Saturn with rings.
6)The Dogon known that the planets go around the Sun and not viceversa.
7)The Dogon knows about Jupiter moons.
8)The Dogon use to record with accuracy Venus motion.
9)The Dogon use to draw Sirius elliptic orbit with preciseness.
Hell, NO Sir, you need thousands of years to develop all that
astronomical knowledge, and the Dogon did not have any telescopes or
any hi tech tools, they was/are simple farmers.
Let's see..
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=pan.2004.03.16.12.41.28.385160%40noplace.
com
O'said: WTF ? The Sumerians 12th planet ? Where is this at ? If I
count Sedna as a planet I still only get 10, are you reading future
newspapers the rest of us can't see ?
[ignorance noted]
Hell, NO Sir, The Sumerians used to count the Sun and the Moon...
O'said: Apparently there is another Pietro meltdown coming up here
soon.
Stay tuned...
[evasion noted again]
Debunkers are just about: evasions, insults, threat, and when all this
will not work..they will
explode in a dangerous threat of physical violence to the people.
Yes, dangerous, this is not ..fun:
http://groups.google.it/groups?q=g:thl1997209306d&dq=&hl=it&lr=&selm=1102677590.172526.289130%40z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
[This site: http://www.lart.com promote hate against me]
You asked for evidences, but then you resort to promote physical
violence against me
..I wonder why.
You should be ashamed of yourself, and apologise.