In article <%v10e.542$sO5.479@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>, maninc_mandy@hotmail.com 
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Tom Giarmo <TomGiarmoI@use.net> typed:

That said I do believe some UFO films could be genuine and given the
size of the Universe I think there is every possibility that ET are
visiting earth. I think it's a shame that there are so many
charlatans and fakers about.

Those that wish us to carry a certain sense of disbelief are happy as
hell there are.

Yes I can see that.

It's almost mind blowing how cynical and sociopathic a person has to be to
make a career out of fakery though. The depths that Human nature can trawl
in the quest for money and fame is far more immediately frightening than any
alien lifeform.

Paradoxically though no amount of fakery whether obvious or not can remove
or alter the facts, whatever they may be. And it is interesting to note that
if there was a conspiracy to cover up genuine alien contact, the charlatans
insofar as they spread disinformation and serve to make the whole thing seem
like some sort of joke whether wittingly or not would seem to contribute to
the whole cover-up, if such a cover-up exists. Which seems a very plausible
possibility when you see the kind of people who are coming forward in
relation to the disclosure project. This video is certainly well worth
watching http://www.topsecrettestimony.com/npcc_full.wmv
-- 
Amanda


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There is so-called positive and negative media/press about Billy Meier.
One or the other is correct, not both.
Do you believe Wendelle Stevens/Michael Horn's accounts or not?
Or the negative press which appear to try to discredit the Billy Meier
material?

The facts are plainly obvious - Billy Meier produced the most clear and
highest quality possible of UFOs during the 1980s' with a 35mm Olympus 35ECR
camera that was faulty. It was permanently focused at 'infinity' such that
nearby objects would be out of focus. Wendelle Stevens documents Billy Meier's 
early UFO photographs (in B&W) and then his colour UFO photographs in a 
lecture that retrospectively looks at the photographs.
There is a lot of material to go through, in investigating Billy Meier.
Just go to
www.tjresearch.info
to get an idea of how far the material goes.
The ideas presented at the above site is echoed in an independent British
Television production 'Did Jesus Die?'. There is no mention of Billy Meier,
or UFOs or 'The Talmud Jmmanuel' in this television documentary.
Go to
www.tombofjesus.com
to see where the documentary ended up at. Kashmir.

The witness testimony at 
www.disclosureproject.org
is overwhelming. Which shows clearly that the US government (not all of it,
but only certain parts are) lies to the general public.
There's been many accounts of these kind of testimonies over the years which
hinted at all the activities mentioned. There's all that and much more.

The plain fact is - that authorities lie to us (the public).
Whether it be government (when it suits them), academic, scientific and
religious. The later has done so for centuries.
Christianity (and the Bible) are a lie - they only make 'claims' - there is no 
physical proof for anything they say, and Christian theories make no sense at 
all. The resurrection did not happen, Jesus survived the crucifixion and 
journeyed onto Kashmir, where he spent the greater part of his life, and died
there. There is some truth in the Bible, but not a great deal. The information 
has been distorted. Christians will not admit that the Book of Ezekiel is all 
about a UFO sighting.
As time has gone by the lies get bigger and bigger. Especially in the case
for the UFO.

Now - do you believe everything you see in the news? It is censored and
manipulated - see how the Disclosure Project news never made it into 
mainstream media. Likewise with the orthodox view and accepted 'reality'
of the world. There is the desirability of the governments of the world,
not to state the real facts about UFOs - and other information that runs
counter to the accepted view of the way things are.
Authorities do not like to see their control put in doubt or to relinquish
their 'control'.
To change the status quo is not easy at all. Anyone in academic or scientific 
circles will automatically get ridiculed such that their professional career 
will suffer. See the video 'Forbidden Archaeology'.
Or read about M K Jessup who published 'UFO and the Bible' and 'The Case For
The UFO' around 1956.

Harvey