In article <2_a2e.1329$wr4.1120@newsfe2-win.ntli.net>,
maninc_mandy@hotmail.com says...
In news:mEa1e.12904$1S4.1345966@news.xtra.co.nz,
Your Name Here=Harvey <kiwi@ing.notin.aus> typed:
In article <ihiz2mvaxhjn$.182j60z8ow70j$.dlg@40tude.net>,
TomGiarmoI@use.net says...
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:42:03 GMT, Your Name Here=Harvey wrote:
If www.disclosureproject.org is '
With Billy Meier
Is no Steven Greer. Bring Meier here for appropriate scrutiny. Or
have him hold a major national press conference like Greer did.
If you have read about Billy Meier
eg.
http://www.tjresearch.info/ufology.htm
What compelling evidence do you have that this is valid?
You may as well say the same as regards the Disclosure Project,
how do you know that that evidence presented, is valid?
I have only started going over the details about Billy Meier
recently, since late last year - I am collecting whatever I can
about him, particularly audio visual material (videotaped lectures
in particular, held at UFO conferences) - the speakers who fill in
on the Billy Meier background have spent years investigating him
(eg. Wendelle Stevens), Deardorff has spent years on the Talmud
Jmmanuel, Ed Martin has spent years researching about Jesus in
India. I have only spent about 30 years thinking about all this
kind of material - and I have come to similiar conclusions as
the Plejarens, as their view of the earth.
That 3 of the world religions - Judaism, Christianity and Islam
are based upon 'lies' - that governments lie to us about UFOs.
That the world has gone mad as far as the earth's eco systems
goes.
But we don't need Space Aliens to tell us this. The idea that the "desert
religions are a lie has been prevalent for well over a century. For Example
The theory of Evolution and Communism have been around for some time and
Buddhism even longer. There are even ideas and different religions that
pre-date Judaism, Christianity and Islam. There are plenty of people on our
own planet wise enough to see the errors in the desert religions and in
human nature itself and there always have been.
We actually do need the information from an outside source - the ET
viewpoint, since what is 'accepted' today is not correct.
And the information in the Talmud Jmmanuel text is revealing .. I'll post an
except from it, to give some idea what it is like... (Jmmanuel - Jesus,
apparently Jesus was not known as 'Jesus' until penned by the early Christian
church).
ie...
..
79. Matthan begot Jacob.
80. Jacob begot Joseph.
81. Joseph was the husband of Mary, the mother of Jmmanuel, who was
impregnated by a distant descendant of the celestial son, Rasiel, who was the
guardian angel of the secret.
82. When Joseph heard of Mary's secret impregnation by a descendant of the
celestial sons from the lineage of Rasiel, behold, he was filled with wrath
and thought of leaving Mary before he would be married to her before the
people.
83. While Joseph was thinking in this manner, behold, a guardian angel, sent
by Gabriel, the celestial son who had impregnated Mary, appeared and said:
84. “Joseph, Mary is betrothed to you, and you are to become her spouse; do
not leave her, because the fruit of her womb is chosen for a great purpose.
Marry her in all openness, so that you may be husband and wife before the
people.
85. "Behold, the impregnation of Mary occurred eleven thousand years after
the procreation of Adam through the celestial son Semjasa, to fulfill the
word of god, the ruler of those who travelled from afar, who conveyed these
words through the prophet Isaiah:
86. "'Behold, a virgin will be impregnated by a celestial son before she is
married to a man before the people.
87. "'They will name the fruit of her womb Jmmanuel, which translated means
'the one with godly knowledge,' as a symbol and honor to god. Through god's
power and providential care the Earth was made to bear intelligent human life
when the celestial sons, the travelers from the far reaches of the universe,
mated with the women of Earth.
88. "Behold, god and his followers came far from the depths of space, where
they delivered themselves from a strong bondage, and created here a new human
race and home with the early women of this Earth.
89. "God deserves the honor of people of Earth, for behold; he is the true
originator of the white and of colored Earth humans, and to him honor should
be given.
90. "Except for him there is nothing equal in form for these human lineages
created by him. Besides him, therefore, people should have no other gods who
created other human lineages in other parts of the Earth.
91. "Except for god there is nothing of comparable form worthy of veneration.
Over him and his celestial sons reigns only the omnipotence of all creation:
Creation itself, which should be revered.
92. "Behold, therefore; over the Earth reigns god, the master of the celestial
sons and the people of the white and colored terrestrial lineages.
93. "God is the lawgiver for these human populations and, therefore, his
wishes should be fulfilled by man and woman.
94. "God, the lord, is generous in his love, but also terrible in his wrath
when his laws are disobeyed.
95. "Mary's impregnation is god's law, and you, Joseph, are to be her husband
in matrimony"
The Birth of Jmmanuel
96. When Joseph heard this, however, he was mindful of his devoutness to god's
laws, so he brought Mary home and married her before the people.
97. At this time a decree went out from Emperor Augustus, that all the world
should be counted.
98. This census was the first of its kind and occurred at the time that
Cyrenius was governor in Syria.
99. All went to be assessed, each to his own town.
100. Joseph of Galilee, of the town of Nazareth, also went with his wife Mary
into the Judaic land to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because
he was of the house and lineage of David,
101. in order to be assessed with his wife, Mary, who was pregnant by the
celestial son Gabriel from the lineage of Rasiel.
102. When they were there, the time came for her to give birth.
103. Since they could find no shelter, they spent the night in a stable.
104. And Mary bore her first son on the straw, wrapped him in cloth, and laid
him in a manger near the animals, because there was no other room for her in
the inn.
Important findings like this -- see below, don't make it
into the mainstream media --- because our world view, etc
is incorrect.
http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/04/30/28149.html
Yes I agree there is a great deal of evidence to suggest many established
ideas are wrong, Well for a start if you trace back the generations of
Christ according to the Bible itself you find Adam and indeed the World
itself is reputed to have been created around 5500 years ago. You don't even
have to resort to "puzzling" archaeological finds to show this, because
there is irrefutable evidence within mainstream established science that
proves the Bible wrong, and if it's wrong it's obviously isn't as some
believe the Word of God. This is total nonesense and quite hillarious, if it
wasn't so sad.
http://www.semjase.net/semjeng10.html
..
The Chronology of Earth History
This chart shows important moments in Earth history based on information from
the Pleiadians. Dates are only estimates to show the chronology of events.
22 Million B.C. The first Lyrans come to Earth and colonize.
387,000 B.C. 144,207 Lyrans come to Earth and settle here, forever changing
the genetics of Earthman.
228,000 B.C. A Lyran leader named Asael leads 360,000 Lyrans to a new home in
the Pleiades.
226,000 B.C. Asael dies and his daughter Pleja becomes ruler. The system is
now called the Plejas.
225,000 B.C. Pleja scout ships discover Earth, and colonies are founded here
and on Mars and Milona.
196,000 B.C. War breaks out on Earth and its people are evacuated to the
Plejas. Forty years later Milona destroys itself and becomes the asteroid
belt. Mars is thrown out of orbit and all life is gone.
116,000 B.C. For the past 80,000 years several small colonies have been tried
by the Lyrans-mostly exiled criminals.
71,344 B.C. The Great Pyramids are built in Egypt, China, and South America by
Lyrans.
58,000 B.C. The Great Plan. The Pleiadians build a great society on Earth that
lasts for almost 10,000 years.
48,000 B.C. Ishwish Pelegon comes to Earth and builds a wonderful society that
lasts for around 10,000 years.
31,000 B.C. Atlantis is founded by a man named Atlant, who comes with his
people from the Barnard Star system.
30,500 B.C. The great city of Mu is founded by Muras, the father of Atlant's
wife, Karyatide. His empire is sometimes called Lemuria.
30,000 B.C. The black race comes from Sirius.
16,000 B.C. Arus is exiled from Earth for trying to start wars. He hides out
with his followers in the Beta Centauri star system.
14,000 B.C. Arus and his men return to Earth and settle in Hyperborea, which
is the current location of Florida.
13,000 B.C. The scientist Semjasa, the second in command to Arus, creates two
Adams, who bear a child named Seth. This becomes the legend of Adam and Eve.
11,000 B.C. Arus II attacks the Sumerians, who flee into the mountains.
11,000 B.C. A group of ETs of unknown origin arrive, led by a leader named
Viracocoha, who controlled the city of Tiahuanaco. His base was on an island
named Mot. He provided the inhabitants of Easter Island the tools to build the
strange statues there which represent him.
That said Christ said things like "Seek and ye shall find" and was against
the established religion of His day saying "The truth is far from them"
Apart from all the bullshit surrounding Christ, it's evident he had some
good ideas which comes through in spite of this. Whoever this guy was he had
some good ideas.
I think if there is one certainty in this life is we actually know nothing
and that approach is the only way to find the truth. It is unfortunate
though, that some elements within the establishment seek to hide the truth
for selfish ends.
--
Amanda
The 'truth' is very shocking and strange --- because we don't know
it in detail, or even some semblance of it.
There is a lot to absorb...
Harvey